The DeeperBlue.net Gun Building Extravaganza - Gun Options 3 - Rail & Spear Diameter

[foxfish]

Re: The DeeperBlue.net Gun Building Extravaganza - Gun Options 3 - Rail & Spear Diame

Lots of valid points there, so I guess this pioneering idea is also a learning curve?
Yes things are happening - Gits now has the teak & purple heart & will be gluing up the stock very soon.
There will have a separate thread that will follow the build with lots of photos as the work progresses.
Before the next poll starts, we are thinking about giving you the opportunity to make any suggestions you might have & a general chat about what can or can't be done. Good idea?

 

[blaiz]

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Ooh, this is exciting! I personally dont think that the handle position is really an issue. The gun at hand is only a 90 cm gun. Why take 15% of the reach out of an already short gun? Maybe this is a clear water train of thought. I personally have not dove in waters with visibility less than 30 ft. (im not bragging) In fact I think that If I were to dive in very merky waters I would be shaking in my boots(or booties), so since there is a strong opinion for a mid-handle gun what is its purpose?

 

[Mr. X]

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Good idea Foxfish. How about an LED torch or laser pointer built into/on the end of the barrel or bottom of handle?!

... I personally have not dove in waters with visibility less than 30 ft. (im not bragging)

Don't expect any sympathy from UK spearos I think I have experienced 30 ft visibility, maybe twice in the sea here. 3ft being far more common . The reason for a mid-handle (seems weird saying this to a spearo from the land of Daryl Wong) is to allow a long gun (90cm is a long gun in the UK) to have many of the advantages or both a long gun & a short reef gun, so that only one gun need be carried. Perhaps we should shoot for a 1m mid-handle gun next year -- although you might want 130cm railgun! Mid-handles are now quite uncommon in europe (seems more of an American thing) but Pastor has championed them as being well suited to UK waters and some of us are quite curious to see how they stack up.

 

[foxfish]

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Well described Mr x, most things in life have pros & cons.
I have spent my life spearfishing the Channel Islands & I use pretty much the same guns as every other guy who spearfishes here! Considering we shoot the majority of fish within a foot or so from the spear point, an outstretched arm with a 1.2mtr (gun & spear) extension puts your spear tip 1.8mtr or 6' from from your eyes. A mid handle would force me to get closer for that guaranteed kill shot, the argument about more manoeuvrability simply does not apply to my normal hunting stye. I dont track fish like shooting a clay pigeon, I never have!
However if there was reason to track fish I can see how a mid handled gun would cause less resistance when trying to move it horizontally through the water but then I have a mamba that has huge range & very good tracking potential.
Pastor enthusiasm for mid handles must have some merit & considering I have never hunted with one I take his word that they work very well.

 

[foxfish]

Re: The DeeperBlue.net Gun Building Extravaganza - Gun Options 3 - Rail & Spear Diame

Ok so this poll closes tomorrow, last chance to vote?
O & Gits is on line http://forums.deeperblue.net/spearo...n-building-extravaganza-build.html#post709688

 

[Pastor]

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It looks like he is off to a very good start with that timber. You couldn't find it if you tried rofl

Yup last chance to vote! Hey why am I doing this? I'm not staff any more rofl

 

[Stephan Whelan]

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Poll is now closed - winner is Enclosed track 6.5mm sharkfin spear

Next poll will be up in a couple of days.

 

[Spaniard]

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Here you go Pastor, an old Euro Mid-Handled rubber gun by Nemrod! Very rare to see these for sale now.....

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[Pastor]

Re: The DeeperBlue.net Gun Building Extravaganza - Gun Options 3 - Rail & Spear Diame

Cool! Almost makes me wish I was a collector It just goes to show though that we can't just presume that euro guns must be rear handled. I would imagine that the Nemrod would be a bit of a dog being so lightweight. Has anyone actually used one of those?

 

[spaghetti]

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Has it been said that sharkfins are not only useful for loading?
Sharkfins are also said to make shafts stronger and less likely to snap or bend when fighting a big fish. In facts the notches cut into the body of the spear are the weak point for any shaft.
I'm using the Omer 6,3 with sharkfins on my Omer Master Comp 106, that is a "halftrack" gun (it has a rail with high edges on just 1/3 of the barrell). My choice doesn't have much to do with loading ease, but with the fact that I had a notched shaft snapped in two after shooting a big bluefish...

PS: nice gun Spaniard. Said Spearboard style: "Man...that Nerdmod euro is sick"...

 

[foxfish]

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Yes you are right but only if the fins are welded in place befor the spear is tempered.
If you try & DIY the fins you will be faced with a distorted & weakened spear, so the moral is - buy a factory made shark fin spear.
With my enclosed track guns, you can use quite small fins but you will need quite thin dyneema wishbone to do so! I have ordered a new spear with welded pins but it is taking an age to arrive however my friend has one & it fits my tracks perfectly allowing 2mm dyneema to be used.
There is in fact plenty of choice out there, places like here Flechas have a few to chose from.

 

[Mr. X]

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...I'm not staff any more rofl

What's up Pastor - defrocked by Papa Smurf? Or do you plan to sell everyones private details to the IRS like that guy from Luxemburg (whatever happened to the UK's "receiving stolen goods" laws & the Data Protection Act for that matter?).

 

[Pastor]

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What's up Pastor - defrocked by Papa Smurf?

I wondered what that pain in my arse was! rofl

No seriously I stepped down because I couldn't justify the time needed to do the job to the standard the site deserves as things are at the moment.


So Richard John Bingham, born 18/12/1934, favourite pet - Shergar........ rofl