2014 lunocet

[Chipswim]

That all makes perfect sense! Many of us will wind up owning and I suspect using both.

Sounds like we need to be sure more peaceful and more zen like are on the desirable traits list. Don't think you are alone in seeking and finding peaceful moments under the surface.

Also expect more Lunosapiens to travel in twos.....

 

[neurodoc]

I hope to bolt up my wife's shoes to the Lunocet soon and have her try it out. She is a great swimmer, doing one of those relaxed freestyle/crawl strokes that moves her through the water but looks like she could do for hours (which she can). Her only monofin experience is with the yellow Finis Foil fins, so I know she will love the Lunocet which is much more efficient and faster.

 

[cdavis]

what does the pro feel like on the up-stroke. When you are going slow and smooth, how much thrust are you getting from the up vs the down stroke?

 

[Triton1715]

Can't wait to hear how this compares to something like a starfin. I need to get a mono and am just waiting for the reviews to see what I end up with.

 

[Apneaddict]

Reviews coming very shortly with hyperfin / Starfins comparisons.

To help answer Conner... I get good thrust on the upkicks... And think that with some angle tweaking of the adjustable footdeck, you could get even more if you so desired...

 

[marginatus]

Reviews coming very shortly with hyperfin / Starfins comparisons.

To help answer Conner... I get good thrust on the upkicks... And think that with some angle tweaking of the adjustable footdeck, you could get even more if you so desired...

Man you even incorporated the "shipping" delays in your review

 

[Apneaddict]

I was retooling my word processor.

 

[Chipswim]

Enjoying your observation Neurodoc! Thank you for writing them!

Making good use of my time prepping for Pro arrival. Ad for Tyr Torque Pro swim skin popped up right here in this forum. Was shopping for something like that anyway... Took it as a sign¿

Lady on the phone said XL is the biggest they make... Supposed to be ideal for a relatively small 6' 218# human. Might be quite tight for me though.... She thought that I should order it now, stretch it over a 55 gallon barrel and leave it in the sun until the fin arrives. That combined with a strict water and laxative fast should give me a pretty good shot at slipping it on May 1st or so...... Unless the fin comes toooo quick!

I've achieved renewed patience!!!!!!

 

[REVAN]

Enjoying your observation Neurodoc! Thank you for writing them!

Making good use of my time prepping for Pro arrival. Ad for Tyr Torque Pro swim skin popped up right here in this forum. Was shopping for something like that anyway... Took it as a sign¿

Lady on the phone said XL is the biggest they make... Supposed to be ideal for a relatively small 6' 218# human. Might be quite tight for me though.... She thought that I should order it now, stretch it over a 55 gallon barrel and leave it in the sun until the fin arrives. That combined with a strict water and laxative fast should give me a pretty good shot at slipping it on May 1st or so...... Unless the fin comes toooo quick!

I've achieved renewed patience!!!!!!

Start doing hypoxic training in your swimming sessions. You will lose weight fast. Just be sure to have a good safety to watch over you. It is also the best way to find out how to optimize your monofin technique for distance.

 

[Chipswim]

Could you say more about what you mean by hypoxic.... Is that further but slower = longer breath holds like the dyn guys or something else? The CO2 tables concept? Really just learning the language beyond recreational here. Please connect the dots to leaning out. Have left 25#'s in the pool over the last year. Stable at 250 for a while though. Have about 25# more available as " potential improvement ". Thanks for idea to bust the plateau. Need to be sure I understand the suggestion to get the most out of it. Might just send me to an applicable thread so you don't have to do a major rewrite.... Thanks!

 

[REVAN]

Could you say more about what you mean by hypoxic.... Is that further but slower = longer breath holds like the dyn guys or something else? The CO2 tables concept? Really just learning the language beyond recreational here. Please connect the dots to leaning out. Have left 25#'s in the pool over the last year. Stable at 250 for a while though. Have about 25# more available as " potential improvement ". Thanks for idea to bust the plateau. Need to be sure I understand the suggestion to get the most out of it. Might just send me to an applicable thread so you don't have to do a major rewrite.... Thanks!

Hypoxic = low oxygen. This involves diving well past the onset of breathing contractions in your breath hold. When you run out of oxygen, your body will metabolize sugar into lactic acid instead of CO2 (there is no O2 left to add to the C). This burns calories like crazy. You will know when you hit it because your legs and abs will feel like rubber after your session. By default, you will be diving close to your blackout limit, so it is vital to have a safety shadow you on your dive.

With one max dynamic attempt (about 2 minutes at 1.5 m/s), I probably burn the calories of a 10 mile hike. When I train, I lose 5 pounds per week until I drop below 160 pounds. Then it slows and plateaus between 150 and 155 pounds.

 

[Chipswim]

Very interesting! Changing from aerobic to anaerobic metabolism during the time span of a single breath hold! Never really looked at it that way. Sure I've never pressed that deep into hypoxia. I have read the safety concerns in other threads. So don't worry that I'll be flirting with danger without help on hand. Will need to discover or develop a shadow person.

Have always wondered.... Do you guys some how over ride the urge to breathe or do you learn to delay it? Does it become intense then subside if you swim through it? I'm one of those who extend comfortable time submerged as the hour goes by but still answer the urge to breathe when it comes calling.. Thank you for the insight! Neat stuff!

 

[Fondueset]

Very interesting! Changing from aerobic to anaerobic metabolism during the time span of a single breath hold! Never really looked at it that way. Sure I've never pressed that deep into hypoxia. I have read the safety concerns in other threads. So don't worry that I'll be flirting with danger without help on hand. Will need to discover or develop a shadow person.

Have always wondered.... Do you guys some how over ride the urge to breathe or do you learn to delay it? Does it become intense then subside if you swim through it? I'm one of those who extend comfortable time submerged as the hour goes by but still answer the urge to breathe when it comes calling.. Thank you for the insight! Neat stuff!

Good to get some training before pushing the envelope. I think your approach is sensible. Also - keep in mind that hypoxic training can effect your acid/alkaline balance. At one point my training made me so acidic that I began having problems with tooth decay and arrhythmia. I talked with my doctor he and I were puzzled, then a little light came on over each of our heads 'ELECTROLYTES' we said, in unison. I changed my training method, diet, and remembered to always bring an electrolyte solution with me after that. All problems vanished.

There are many benefits to hypoxic training - witness Pranayama in the yoga tradition - but it needs to be engaged holistically.

All that said - Revan is absolutely right. I remember Eric Fattah telling us, when we dove with him in BC, that we were all burning on the order of 1,000 calories an hour. One time our group surprised my daughter and I in the middle of a huge breakfast. We hoovered our food, suited up and got in literally stuffed with eggs, toast and hash browns. We felt awful for maybe 45 minutes, then we were hungry again.

 

[Triton1715]

Good to get some training before pushing the envelope. I think your approach is sensible. Also - keep in mind that hypoxic training can effect your acid/alkaline balance. At one point my training made me so acidic that I began having problems with tooth decay and arrhythmia. I talked with my doctor he and I were puzzled, then a little light came on over each of our heads 'ELECTROLYTES' we said, in unison. I changed my training method, diet, and remembered to always bring an electrolyte solution with me after that. All problems vanished.

There are many benefits to hypoxic training - witness Pranayama in the yoga tradition - but it needs to be engaged holistically.

All that said - Revan is absolutely right. I remember Eric Fattah telling us, when we dove with him in BC, that we were all burning on the order of 1,000 calories an hour. One time our group surprised my daughter and I in the middle of a huge breakfast. We hoovered our food, suited up and got in literally stuffed with eggs, toast and hash browns. We felt awful for maybe 45 minutes, then we were hungry again.

Fascinating! I've always wondered about this as despite any form of exercise I engage in (high cardio training for karate, weight training, etc.) nothing has ever had me shed weight faster than apnea training. I originally thought it was just water loss or something, but the weight stayed off no matter how much water I would drink later. That freediving can burn nearly 1000/hr is some pretty exciting news!

 

[Fondueset]

Fascinating! I've always wondered about this as despite any form of exercise I engage in (high cardio training for karate, weight training, etc.) nothing has ever had me shed weight faster than apnea training. I originally thought it was just water loss or something, but the weight stayed off no matter how much water I would drink later. That freediving can burn nearly 1000/hr is some pretty exciting news!

Keep in mind we were diving all day in 50f water too. I'm sure that was a factor in Eric's calculations. (and not all of us were doing 3-4 minute dives past 130 feet...)

 

[Triton1715]

Very true. I'm simply fascinated by the aspect that freediving on its surface doesn't seem like a calorie intensive sport. This is only magnified when you think about freediving (relaxing, calmness, etc.) vs activities like kickboxing or sparring (constantly moving fast, kicking, punching, etc). They seem like they would be as far apart as night and day in terms of calories consumed, yet it turns out that they are actually quite close. Very counterintuitive. . .at least to me

Out of curiosity, were you diving with wetsuits? It sounds like a stupid question, but I know Eric Fattah has done quite a bit of experimentation with colder water diving sans wetsuit and that your cold tolerance is quite high and am just wondering if you guys were playing around more with that which contributed heavily to the high calorie burn or if it was still that high despite a wetsuit.

Thanks!

 

[Fondueset]

Very true. I'm simply fascinated by the aspect that freediving on its surface doesn't seem like a calorie intensive sport. This is only magnified when you think about freediving (relaxing, calmness, etc.) vs activities like kickboxing or sparring (constantly moving fast, kicking, punching, etc). They seem like they would be as far apart as night and day in terms of calories consumed, yet it turns out that they are actually quite close. Very counterintuitive. . .at least to me

Out of curiosity, were you diving with wetsuits? It sounds like a stupid question, but I know Eric Fattah has done quite a bit of experimentation with colder water diving sans wetsuit and that your cold tolerance is quite high and am just wondering if you guys were playing around more with that which contributed heavily to the high calorie burn or if it was still that high despite a wetsuit.

Thanks!

Nope - we all had suits - my daughter's was only a 3 mil, fabric lined suit. My was a 5 mil nylon out. It was there I learned about nylon on the outside wicking body heat.

 

[REVAN]

.... Do you guys some how over ride the urge to breathe or do you learn to delay it? Does it become intense then subside if you swim through it? I'm one of those who extend comfortable time submerged as the hour goes by but still answer the urge to breathe when it comes calling.. Thank you for the insight! Neat stuff!

The urge to breath can't be turned off. The key is learning to minimize its impact on your dive. Your diet is a big part of the training regiment of freediving. When going for performance, it is not just what you eat, but when you eat relative to your dive that matters. When I dive for performance, I like to be past hungry; you know, when your stomach gives up on sending hunger signals. This really helps to delay and reduce the breathing contractions for me. Nonetheless, they will eventually get really strong if you go far enough, and you need to learn to keep them localized to the diaphragm and keep them small. And yes, if you swim through it, the contractions may feel as though they subside. That is when you are getting on the verge of a blackout. If you get to that point, expect a samba or maybe worse upon surfacing.

I agree 100% with Fondueset , it is "Good to get some training before pushing the envelope", but it is well worth it in my opinion. This level of freediving is an extremely introspective experience. You will learn many things about your body (and technique) that you never knew before. For example, I learned that for the first 40 years of my life, I didn't know how to evaluate good food from bad food. Eventually, I found that I actually had a food sensitivity issue, and now I feel much better all the time because can avoid that particular food. Do it now, thank me later.

 

[Triton1715]

Nope - we all had suits - my daughter's was only a 3 mil, fabric lined suit. My was a 5 mil nylon out. It was there I learned about nylon on the outside wicking body heat.

Ah! That's something I'm in the midst of deliberating right now. I intend to finally order a cold water suit for up here (hopefully this next week), but can't for the life of me determine what I should go with (3 vs 5 mil in heiwa or yama & smoothskin vs. nylon). You had once recommended a 5 mil to me, but the type of neoprene seems to be a variable in that. Do you happen to have any recommendations or suggestions since you are our resident (Michigan) expert?

 

[REVAN]

Oh, I forgot to mention: Have a food plan for when your training session is over. You will be ravenous!