Marginatus is right-when a business prints a prepaid shipping label for a parcel, USPS generates a tracking number. When you get a tracking number, it will only show progress 24-48 hours after the package itself gets to the post office. I buy and sell things on eBay often, and see it happen there too. It's only once the tracking number shows activity that it is time to get excited. I do not have any insider info today but every time I've spoken to him he has been leaving the shop late and spending most of his time there. I think he is making many fins and orders will be filled much faster soon!
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2014 lunocet
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Good luck Noa, may the Greek posties smile on you.
Triton. I think you are incorrect about the value of a bifinner reviewing a foil fin. I think there are a lot of potential foil fin users who now use bifins and are more interested in a bifinners opinion of the fin. I come out of a bifin background and find that I'm looking for different things than someone who is a skillful mono user. Someone with no mono experience probably doesn't care much what a monofiner thinks of the fin, he(she) wants to know how a bifinner liked it. Same thing in comparing the Lunacet and Dol-fin. If Ron and Ted can't get their act together soon and get us a good comparison of the two fins, (and Ted beats his customer service issues) I might just buy a pro and do a comparison, from a bifinners point of view.
I think you will find either foil fin to be much more maneuverable than a traditional mono. I'm sure of that for the Dol-fin. Both will take some practice to figure out how to get the fine trim adjustments perfected. I don't have any trouble with immediate acceleration, don't know if that's true for the Lunacet Pro. I think Fondue is right, the second kick on the Dolfin seems to have more power, but the first blows the doors off most bifins. I've measured acceleration(distance covered) in the first 3 seconds(the important part for chasing down a speared fish) and compared it to my cressi 2000 hfs, which have very good acceleration for a long fin. The Dol-fin is far better. There is a slight issue sometimes, the Dolfin is more picky about taking off from odd body positions. Sometimes you have to straighten out before you can take off.
One area might sneak up on you, buoyancy. When doing the kind of diving you (and I) do, its important to have the fin near neutral, even a little positive. Because foil fins have so little drag, you end up vertical on the surface very quickly and can have issues with the fin wanting to go first on descent. A negative fin gets aggravating, quick. I've modified mine to be neutral, the x22 can be ordered neutral. The standard Lunacet, its my understanding that it is negative. The Pro might be closer to neutral, something to find out. What wetsuit you are wearing affects this as well.
Triton. I think you are incorrect about the value of a bifinner reviewing a foil fin. I think there are a lot of potential foil fin users who now use bifins and are more interested in a bifinners opinion of the fin. I come out of a bifin background and find that I'm looking for different things than someone who is a skillful mono user. Someone with no mono experience probably doesn't care much what a monofiner thinks of the fin, he(she) wants to know how a bifinner liked it. Same thing in comparing the Lunacet and Dol-fin. If Ron and Ted can't get their act together soon and get us a good comparison of the two fins, (and Ted beats his customer service issues) I might just buy a pro and do a comparison, from a bifinners point of view.
I think you will find either foil fin to be much more maneuverable than a traditional mono. I'm sure of that for the Dol-fin. Both will take some practice to figure out how to get the fine trim adjustments perfected. I don't have any trouble with immediate acceleration, don't know if that's true for the Lunacet Pro. I think Fondue is right, the second kick on the Dolfin seems to have more power, but the first blows the doors off most bifins. I've measured acceleration(distance covered) in the first 3 seconds(the important part for chasing down a speared fish) and compared it to my cressi 2000 hfs, which have very good acceleration for a long fin. The Dol-fin is far better. There is a slight issue sometimes, the Dolfin is more picky about taking off from odd body positions. Sometimes you have to straighten out before you can take off.
One area might sneak up on you, buoyancy. When doing the kind of diving you (and I) do, its important to have the fin near neutral, even a little positive. Because foil fins have so little drag, you end up vertical on the surface very quickly and can have issues with the fin wanting to go first on descent. A negative fin gets aggravating, quick. I've modified mine to be neutral, the x22 can be ordered neutral. The standard Lunacet, its my understanding that it is negative. The Pro might be closer to neutral, something to find out. What wetsuit you are wearing affects this as well.
I'll give my perspective being a bifin user... I've been a C4 Mustang user since it's first year - 2006 (M1), than had M3 and now have M729 so the Lunocet Pro will have some serious baseline as these are awesome fins.
But it will take a while
But it will take a while
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Cdavis,
I'm sorry. I didn't mean that it wouldn't be good for a bifinner to review the foil fins. . .just that I wouldn't be very good at it due to my limited experience with freediving fins. I've had quite a few scuba and snorkeling fins over the years (all pre 2000), but for freediving I've only had a pair of plastic Sporasub long blades circa 1999 and my current fiberglass 'Edge' 20 Fathoms fins. While I could write a review from my novice standpoint, I think it would be akin to a little old lady reviewing a Ferrari (assuming she isn't the Little Old Lady from Pasadena!).....just doesn't have the experience to write a review that would beneficial to the predominantly more experienced divers here
That said, I do wish that there were more reviews written from the bifin perspective. One thing you mentioned which I hadn't even thought of was the notion of buoyancy. With my current fins, I'm negatively buoyant and if I sit still very long at all, I end up vertical. This is easily overcome with very minor occasional ankle flicks that keep me horizontal, but I don't know how that would be possible at all with any sort of mono/foil. It's an interesting problem and it's funny how changing to a different style of fin could potential take a minor inconvenience and turn it into a real pain in the butt.
Ah ha! I somehow completely missed this or misunderstood it. I thought that the first kick was negligible in terms of thrust overall. I didn't realize that it still was comparable or better than bifins! That's a bit of a game changer in my book.
I'm sorry. I didn't mean that it wouldn't be good for a bifinner to review the foil fins. . .just that I wouldn't be very good at it due to my limited experience with freediving fins. I've had quite a few scuba and snorkeling fins over the years (all pre 2000), but for freediving I've only had a pair of plastic Sporasub long blades circa 1999 and my current fiberglass 'Edge' 20 Fathoms fins. While I could write a review from my novice standpoint, I think it would be akin to a little old lady reviewing a Ferrari (assuming she isn't the Little Old Lady from Pasadena!).....just doesn't have the experience to write a review that would beneficial to the predominantly more experienced divers here
That said, I do wish that there were more reviews written from the bifin perspective. One thing you mentioned which I hadn't even thought of was the notion of buoyancy. With my current fins, I'm negatively buoyant and if I sit still very long at all, I end up vertical. This is easily overcome with very minor occasional ankle flicks that keep me horizontal, but I don't know how that would be possible at all with any sort of mono/foil. It's an interesting problem and it's funny how changing to a different style of fin could potential take a minor inconvenience and turn it into a real pain in the butt.
Ah ha! I somehow completely missed this or misunderstood it. I thought that the first kick was negligible in terms of thrust overall. I didn't realize that it still was comparable or better than bifins! That's a bit of a game changer in my book.
Oh I'm refreshing alright, as well as trying any other trick I can come up with : ) Anyway, Ted said it has been on the way for a while and I want to trust he's not pulling my leg. So, when it's time for world travels are done, the fin will come knock on my shoulder...don't want to give bad news or anything but that usually means the number was secured (reserved for a shipping) but no scan was made yet (didn't get to USPS hands yet)...
Knowing that yours was on the way was somewhat reassuring that the waiting was almost over.
Hope I'm wrong... have you tried refreshing the page by furiously clinking the icon?
You can swim and you can write!
=100% qualified! I'm no world class swimmer, but everyone in here has not just accepted a new person but jumped in to help make significant improvement! You are contributing useful ideas and questions already!
Lots of folks have to make the decision you are contemplating for this to gain momentum. Therefore your perspective may be the MOST important perspective!
=100% qualified! I'm no world class swimmer, but everyone in here has not just accepted a new person but jumped in to help make significant improvement! You are contributing useful ideas and questions already!
Lots of folks have to make the decision you are contemplating for this to gain momentum. Therefore your perspective may be the MOST important perspective!
Ted told me he took the fin to the post office on Saturday 29th of March and that the tracking should have been active from Monday 31st of March. When that did not happen he said USPS most likely has an issue with their online tracking system and that you could not either track your parcel (yet received it in due time). Please tell me this is true... : )
Triton, most bifins are a bit negative, mine are. The problem arises because the foil fins are so slick, so they fall much faster than a bifin. Same problem going vertical, the fin has much less drag than your upper body, so it wants to fall faster and lead the descent.
Neurodoc: If you lay flat on the surface in the pool with the pro, no wetsuit, do your feet sink?
Neurodoc: If you lay flat on the surface in the pool with the pro, no wetsuit, do your feet sink?
Sinking...depends on a breath of air or not. I normally swim with jammers (thigh-length swimsuit) and not wetsuit as the pool is usually 86 degrees F. With a full breath and no neck weight? yes, feet sink first, slowly. The Pro is somewhat negatively buoyant with the shoes I have attached. I wear 2.5mm neoprene short booties in the shoes, and they add some buoyancy so it is not as negatively buoyant on me as by itself. If I exhale, I sink pretty equally and can lay on the bottom. With my current neck weight, I'm a little buoyant in the chest on a full breath so legs go down/chest goes up. I need more neck weight (lungs work better=more air volume now, lost more weight so butt sinks more now
Forgot one. Foil fins, by their nature, have a killer glide. With a neutral or slightly positive fin, and once you are deep enough to have significant negative buoyancy, you can use that negative buoyancy to "fly" forward. I used to use this technique with bifins, works well. With a neutral Dol-fin, it works MUCH better because of the much lower drag and lift of a foil fin. You can "fly" forward for amazing distances. However, if the fin is negative, the diver has to increase the angle of descent to maintain speed, which kills the foil fin advantage.
CDavis! I like your flying description. Sounds really fun! Didn't know that was a possibility! Have to give it a try when open water comes available.
Have fanticised about a Lunocet in free fall. Bet you'd really scoot across the sky! Haven't quite worked out the landing.... Except a water landing could work.... Better stick with cdavis....."diving flying" begins below? 15, 20, 30'?
Neurodoc? Does your neck weight hang on your Adams apple when you are inverted. Any guidance in making one? How heavy? Out of what? Latch or loop? Comfort tricks? Is that a daily use item in the pool?
Have fanticised about a Lunocet in free fall. Bet you'd really scoot across the sky! Haven't quite worked out the landing.... Except a water landing could work.... Better stick with cdavis....."diving flying" begins below? 15, 20, 30'?
Neurodoc? Does your neck weight hang on your Adams apple when you are inverted. Any guidance in making one? How heavy? Out of what? Latch or loop? Comfort tricks? Is that a daily use item in the pool?
Depth depends on you. I dive at about half lung and go negative between 10 and 15 feet. By 25 I'm plenty negative enough to fly, and
Depends on you. I dive about 1/2 lung and weight to go negative about 12-15 ft. By 25, I'm plenty deep enough to fly with a Dolfin, need to be deeper with bifins. It is really fun with my fin.
Neck weights are dead easy to build, some lead shot, a double thickness of bicycle inner tube, a knapsack snap and some electric tape. You have to play with it to get the correct length and weight, but nothing to it, and quite comfortable when you get it right. For the Dolfin, in open water, a neck weight is a necessity. I suspect the Lunocet is the same.
Depends on you. I dive about 1/2 lung and weight to go negative about 12-15 ft. By 25, I'm plenty deep enough to fly with a Dolfin, need to be deeper with bifins. It is really fun with my fin.
Neck weights are dead easy to build, some lead shot, a double thickness of bicycle inner tube, a knapsack snap and some electric tape. You have to play with it to get the correct length and weight, but nothing to it, and quite comfortable when you get it right. For the Dolfin, in open water, a neck weight is a necessity. I suspect the Lunocet is the same.
I used mtb bike inner tube, #6 bird shot, two 6" lengths of 1 1/2" nylon web, and a two-piece plastic quick release buckle made for the nylon web. Tie a knot in the end of the web, insert in tube, zip tie so it can't come out, trim zip tie and fold end of tube over it. Really it takes about 5 minutes, but more than that just to figure the length and weight properly. I'm working on an improved version though...
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