8:52 personal best experience

[Billextreme]

cebaztian,

Herbert is the guy... 7.4 liters without packing, and over 11 with.
...and Martin is "just" over 8 liter without packing.

/Bill

 

[glennv]

Thanks for taking the efford to reply to ALL of us this way. Definate bonus point on your credibility scale ;-)
I believe that you believe you did it and i think there is a small chance that you did. Mainly because of your fighting power you described.
Stories about lung volume are interesting but just an average indicator and it sure helps . But I have just about 6+ liters and do 7 minutes (and plan to do more soon if my training progresses as it does currently)
The ability to relax completely, fighting power and the will to overrule every pain is for me also the key factor.

But just to be sure for yourself (as i did when i for the first time hit 7 and could not believe it, wondering if i had passed out or not) get someone to watch over you while you do it again. If you do anything in the area of 8 minutes then you are definately the man on his way to be Tom Sietas rival ;-)

 

[fpernett]

My brother has 6 liters of Total pulmonary capacity and 8 after packing.

 

[AIM-54C]

Thank you all for your knowledge about long breathholds and the ways which people can believe that they did longer breathholds than normal. It it because of your experience with the longer apneas that I was inclined to try it again, this time with a video camera so I could review exactly what happened. Well, I did everything leading up to the apnea exactly the same as before and everything felt the same to me at the end, but as you all know, memory during apnea has a tendency to lose accuracy, especially with low oxygen levels. After reviewing the film, I lost consciousness after five minutes, took three breaths while passed out, and the regained consciousness and continues the apnea without realizing that I had passed out. I did not think it was possible for this to happen and I thought that after passing out, I would regain consciousness but continue breathing. Apparently not, because I passed out several times but continued the apnea after regaining consciousness. I had no memory of passing out or regaining consciousness and still holding my breath. Is it possible that someones will to not breathe can overpower their instinct to breathe? In the end, I learned not to trust your memory from an apnea, and that the video doesn't lie.

Thank you all for your posts and your suspicion (that made me try it again with the camera), and although I am no record setter, I can still dream.

Chris

 

[Polorutz]

hehehe... nice try man and 5 mins is not bad at all bro!!

keep going!! you're only 17!!!!

 

[DeepThought]

Try hyperventilating less (no tingling feeling). It will be tougher to hold but potentially your breathold will be longer. It will require some will power.

Also, it is not advised to do apnea after a blackout. Try to make sure you're not blacking out and continue to do apnea upon waking up again.

 

[kingohyes]

Try some no-warmup no-breatheup to see what requires will power Im still practisin this way..

 

[Bill]

Chris

It was easier to believe the first account than the second. Good research. Thanks for sharing your findings with us. Now you have me wondering if I have ever done something similar in the water. We used to discuss times and techniques here. Not sure why it stopped.

Don't be discouraged. If you trained yourself to this level, you'll be able to steadily progress with some learning and a training schedule. It took me three years to go from four to seven, but I'm almost fifty years older than you. Let me know if I can help.

Aloha
Bill

P.S. Maybe that 8:52 was a precursor.

 

[island_sands]

Hi Bill
for the benefit of other readers would you translate Gianfranco's post.. as it makes no sense to us.

thanks.

Gianfranco,

We have a lot of freedivers that belive that AIDA doing the right thing... or at least that we trying very hard. Freediving is dangerus... if you don't follow the rules. We had I a VERY good freediver, and italien instructor that end up in a fatal accident last week when he rescue a friend. People will never stop freedive and accidents will happen all the time with or without us... we just have to try harder to make it more safe. AIDA is trying hard with the knowledge end experience we have today. Maybe tomorrow we have a new system... or something that make deep freediving even more safe than today.

You will soon have a CW competition in Italy...

Have a nice weekend.
Bill

 

[glennv]

17 years and 5 minutes is still very good. Don't worry mate , in a couple of years you CAN do amazing times for sure.....

 

[OceanMan]

Your camera experience is amazing !

Yea 5' is nice anyway and with training you may perform 8' someday.
But now I suggest that you stop the apnea before the BO ;-)
You should also stop hyperventilation (tingles). I think that's hyperventilation the problem here. With the hyperventilation you make, it's much more easy to overpower your instinct to breathe, it takes less will power... till the bo.

 

[Tobbe]

Hi!

I belived that I was really bad on static apnea when I started to read this post,
but after reading your last post I feel much better =)
I'm 16 and have done over 5 in competition and 5.50 in training (but I hate static apnea).

My goal is to get past 50 meters this summer (CWT).

Best regards

Tobias
SWE

 

[Alun]

Chris, i'm sure you're not the first and you won't be the last. i'm sure there are many freedivers out there who think they've set dry PBs when in actual fact they've BO as you did. sorry -i can't help but chuckle when i think about it.

 

[Adrian]

Chris,
The mind really is tricky sometimes. On my PFD course, during static practice, one of the girls blacked out and didn't realize it. In fact she was hearing people say "Breathe, breathe" and she thought she was still in the middle of her static and that they were saying it to someone else! We had to convince her she had really blacked out!

Adrian

 

[naiad]

I've done that before - once I thought I had done 6 minutes dry, when in fact I had done a BO at about 5:15! I only count it as a PB if I am absolutely sure I did not black out.

Once I did about 3:45 in the pool and I didn't remember any of it except the first few seconds! I also remember coming up afterwards and feeling fine. My buddy said there was nothing obviously wrong, and I didn't need any help coming up, so I don't know what happened!

This is why it's so important to have a buddy in the pool.

Lucia

 

[wolleneugebauer]

sorry friends, but I am shure also...
No chance that a beginner can do an clear 8 minute static. Never...
chris had a simply black out.

I coached very often beginners (and advancers) and pushed them controlled still the end (and further...)
After, I had often crazy discussions because they did`n`t believed that they had black outs.

It is a long and hard way to do static longer than 7 minutes (without bo).
It is possibles to do big dynamics and constants with less training, but no chance for statics.

sorry for my bald (and late) statement...

wolle

(ps. domi ventzke did already 8´16min in training)

 

[cebaztian]

it could well be that you fell asleep during the apnea (happens often), started breathing again, then woke up and continued the apnea. ... As could a blackout either at the start

Yes this is what I was trying to hint at. This sport (game?) of ours is a very mysterious one, and a lot of things happen when we put our bodies off balance in so many ways as we do in a breathhold.

Sebastian
PS. Well written missile boy ;-) and thanks for all clarifications.

 

[cebaztian]

Herbert is the guy... 7.4 liters without packing, and over 11 with.
...and Martin is "just" over 8 liter without packing./Bill

Bill/Eric are we talking TLC or VC?

Sebastian
Sweden

 

[Kars]

Well done Chris,

This is a most exilent topic you've opened, and I have learned much from it, Thanks!
I sence you're a wonderfull person, and I whish your buddies would note that and be inspired by your exemple of honousty, focus and questioning the world including your self.

Though as you have made a great start, it's just the beginning of a great journey which I too enjoy every day.

Since you've asked for some tips, here are some.
- Get a good book on yoga, there are loads of things to learn about breathing, eating & drinking, stretching etc.
- Like someone proposed above, try the 'without hyperventilating' preperation. You're be hyperventilating when you direct your breath, even in the slightest way.
- Another way of getting used to High Co2, is the 'apnea walk'. Walking distance over a soft (grass) terrain.
- Having warmed and stretched muscles makes a big difference too, see the yoga book and talk to trainers about stretching and warm up because there is a lot that can be done wrong.
- Be a good student choose your master(s) carefully <for master(s) it's the other way arround >
- Trust your intuition.
- most importand, dive for things like fun an couriosity.


Ok, this could keep a man busy for many lifetimes, I hope you find them practical and inspireing, and I hope to here from you more often arround here Chris!

Welcome to Deeperblue!

Love, peace and water!

Kars

 

[tylerz]

It is a long and hard way to do static longer than 7 minutes (without bo).
It is possibles to do big dynamics and constants with less training, but no chance for statics.

What is your suggestion by "long and hard way"? This response would seem to hit many newbies as a pretty dismal outlook. I think there can be offered a softer version of an outlook on static progress. One where you don't know what to expect in the next moment.

From the time I first came across freediving approaches to statics (dry) to the first time I hit 8 minutes was an 8 month period. And that was not with constant training, although here and there a week or two of a solid effort.

Long and hard way... (relatively speaking)hell no! So, if you are looking to improve, the best thing you can do is keep wondering at whether your next static is going to leap you ahead! And after that if it doesn't, get ready for the next one.