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AERIS F.10 User Feedback
- Thread starterDoug Krause
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It can take a long time to get an up-to-date response or contact with relevant users.
Check out also the comparison of 32 freediving computers at APNEA.cz - Freediving Computers - there are some alternatives that are not so bad.
For example the Tusa Zen has a pretty complete functionality - plenitude of alarms similar to F.10, and additionally, for the same price, it comes with scuba functions, calculated nitrogen saturation even in freediving mode (!!), has a very attractive look, switches automatically from salt water to fresh water calibration at higher altitudes, and has plenty of other useful features.
Tusa, just like Aeris and Oceanic sell computers made by Pelagic, so the basic functions of all of them are quite similar (3 depth alarms, recursive dive time alarms, countdown timer, stopwatch, 9 lap timers, ...). In fact F.10 does not offer much more than Zen to the freediver - there are only quite few minor differences: see the two computers side by side here:
http://apnea.cz/computers.html?computerID=6,22
For example the Tusa Zen has a pretty complete functionality - plenitude of alarms similar to F.10, and additionally, for the same price, it comes with scuba functions, calculated nitrogen saturation even in freediving mode (!!), has a very attractive look, switches automatically from salt water to fresh water calibration at higher altitudes, and has plenty of other useful features.
Tusa, just like Aeris and Oceanic sell computers made by Pelagic, so the basic functions of all of them are quite similar (3 depth alarms, recursive dive time alarms, countdown timer, stopwatch, 9 lap timers, ...). In fact F.10 does not offer much more than Zen to the freediver - there are only quite few minor differences: see the two computers side by side here:
http://apnea.cz/computers.html?computerID=6,22
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Yes, there are plenty of choices. Have a look at the comparative review of 32 computers for freedivers. Select the ones that interest you, and compare over 100 their functions side by side: APNEA.cz - Freediving Computers
Most of the Pelagic computers (Aeris, Oceanic, Tusa) have much bigger choice of alarms than Suunto, and unlike D4, they also calculate nitrogen saturation in freediving mode, and have some other features not available with D4. Some of them come already with a data cable, which otherwise you have to pay extra. Most of them do scuba too, just like D4.
Most of the Pelagic computers (Aeris, Oceanic, Tusa) have much bigger choice of alarms than Suunto, and unlike D4, they also calculate nitrogen saturation in freediving mode, and have some other features not available with D4. Some of them come already with a data cable, which otherwise you have to pay extra. Most of them do scuba too, just like D4.
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Yeah,
there's lots of info,tnx.
But we just can't rely on raw producent data. According to them Aeris F10 is just great freediving computer - since You read this thread. I want something in good quality, so I must check users opinion on:
Tusa (Pelagic)IQ-900 Zen
Aeris (Pelagic)Manta (niiiiice price)
thanks
v.
there's lots of info,tnx.
But we just can't rely on raw producent data. According to them Aeris F10 is just great freediving computer - since You read this thread. I want something in good quality, so I must check users opinion on:
Tusa (Pelagic)IQ-900 Zen
Aeris (Pelagic)Manta (niiiiice price)
thanks
v.
Hi all - the Aeris Manta and Oceanic Geo are the same thing.
As for the F.10 - I think its getting a bad rap because there are quite a few units out there - with relatively few having problems - but we all talk about it here.
I spoke with an Aeris Tech and he said the static issue has occurred in all of the wrist-style gauges. It is quite uncommon but they are treating it as a high priority and have fixed it. If you have the problem they'll turn your watch around very quickly.
The firmware complaints appear to pretty much be design suggestions - I don't know of any bugs in the firmware. I've got about 5000 dives recorded on mine - mostly pool laps - but I put about 300 on it the first 10 days.
My dive buddy has a manta/geo and likes it fine - it doesn't have the great alarm options of the F.10 but he got the 'old' version and it was extremely inexpensive.
I only just changed the battery on mine and I did notice the battery indicator started coming on in wet mode - so I sent it in for the hardware fix - the first battery lasted almost 8 months with daily use!
Thanks to Trux for his amazing database! - It would be helpful to know the sampling rate (times per sec) of the various gauges - that was a deal breaker for me when I was shopping.
As for the F.10 - I think its getting a bad rap because there are quite a few units out there - with relatively few having problems - but we all talk about it here.
I spoke with an Aeris Tech and he said the static issue has occurred in all of the wrist-style gauges. It is quite uncommon but they are treating it as a high priority and have fixed it. If you have the problem they'll turn your watch around very quickly.
The firmware complaints appear to pretty much be design suggestions - I don't know of any bugs in the firmware. I've got about 5000 dives recorded on mine - mostly pool laps - but I put about 300 on it the first 10 days.
My dive buddy has a manta/geo and likes it fine - it doesn't have the great alarm options of the F.10 but he got the 'old' version and it was extremely inexpensive.
I only just changed the battery on mine and I did notice the battery indicator started coming on in wet mode - so I sent it in for the hardware fix - the first battery lasted almost 8 months with daily use!
Thanks to Trux for his amazing database! - It would be helpful to know the sampling rate (times per sec) of the various gauges - that was a deal breaker for me when I was shopping.
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I just ordered TUSA (14 days delivery time) so i will test them and give u answers if u want.
The sampling rates are there, of course, too. At most watches the freediving mode is sampled at 1s. There are just few exceptions with 2s, or 4s. At some of them the default sampling rate is higher, but can be changed in settings. The sampling rates in my database are the minimal possible ones.
The best sampling rates are at Liquivision X1 and at the Galileo - they sample four times per second (0.25s).
Fondueset, can you post some profiles from the F.10? I'd be especially interested in pool profiles - I'd like to know whether it is reliable enough even in the pool. Practically all the Pelagic computers have activation 1.5m. At F.10 it is slightly lower - 1.2, but it is still quite a bit deeper than at Suuntos, which turn on at 0.6m. I suspect the relatively big activation depth at Pelagic computers may cause problems logging pool training correctly, especially if you train in a pool with a shallow end. At Suunto it was not bad, because I could even log my statics with it, although it required to get used to it. I doubt it would be possible with the F.10. Ideal would be configurable activation depth.
Fondueset, since you are in contact with Aeris people, please tell them about the test and ask them if they could fill in missing details, or send some comments. I wrote them, but they did not reply.
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Hi Trux,
Obviously i didn't look close enough!
I think that is a fault with the F.10. I've asked if they can fix it. Depending how fast I'm swimming it shaves 3-8 seconds or so off in the shallow end - I can get an idea of relative speed but no precision. it has been completely reliable and consistent - but with the activation depth limit.
My D3 was really bad in the pool - it often logged a single dive as two or more.
I wish the D4 had user replaceable batteries.
I will contact Doug after a I get a chance to check your site for the sorts of details you need.
Obviously i didn't look close enough!
I think that is a fault with the F.10. I've asked if they can fix it. Depending how fast I'm swimming it shaves 3-8 seconds or so off in the shallow end - I can get an idea of relative speed but no precision. it has been completely reliable and consistent - but with the activation depth limit.
My D3 was really bad in the pool - it often logged a single dive as two or more.
I wish the D4 had user replaceable batteries.
I will contact Doug after a I get a chance to check your site for the sorts of details you need.
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Can other F.10's owners confirm this? It sounds to me that everyone else's units are still not working properly. :duh
I really don't want to be an f.10 promoter - but I see a problem here and I want to identify it.
The Aeris rep started these threads specifically for suggestions and problem reports - which is cool - but it also provides a central point for problem reporting and a concentration of complaints that, I think, is making it look a little more problematic than it is.
If these threads had not been started most of those experiencing problems would've quietly resolved them with Aeris - and we'd see maybe the occasional thread - as there is for some other gauges.
For example - do a google search on Suunto D4 problems. There are some consistent and weird problems that D4 owners have run into - yet we all know the D4 is an excellent gauge - as evidenced by it's use as the official computer for the Vertical Blue comps.
Aeris is not getting deluged with problem reports on the f.10 - any more than Suunto is with their D4 - (in fact you can google pretty much an dive computer and find all kinds of problems) All the newer units have the hardware fix - whether they need it or not.
I'll post when I get mine back and let you know if I continue to see any issues.
The Aeris rep started these threads specifically for suggestions and problem reports - which is cool - but it also provides a central point for problem reporting and a concentration of complaints that, I think, is making it look a little more problematic than it is.
If these threads had not been started most of those experiencing problems would've quietly resolved them with Aeris - and we'd see maybe the occasional thread - as there is for some other gauges.
For example - do a google search on Suunto D4 problems. There are some consistent and weird problems that D4 owners have run into - yet we all know the D4 is an excellent gauge - as evidenced by it's use as the official computer for the Vertical Blue comps.
Aeris is not getting deluged with problem reports on the f.10 - any more than Suunto is with their D4 - (in fact you can google pretty much an dive computer and find all kinds of problems) All the newer units have the hardware fix - whether they need it or not.
I'll post when I get mine back and let you know if I continue to see any issues.
After reading all comments again carefully, I found that most of the defective units were actually fixed.
Giobbi's : fixed (#189)
mightyblues01's : working fine (#195)
Herup's : battery/timeloss problem fixed (#209)
Scorp's : entering FREE mode problem fixed (#217)
Latrine's : not confirmed, but could be fixed as suggested by Scorp in #217 (#216)
WillUnderwater's : not yet fixed (#212)
Sounds good enough to me. It doesn't really matter if any gadgets go wrong as long as the manufacture can fix it.
The local distributor informed me that the shipment's finally arrived but still haven't confirmed the price yet. If the price is right then...
Giobbi's : fixed (#189)
mightyblues01's : working fine (#195)
Herup's : battery/timeloss problem fixed (#209)
Scorp's : entering FREE mode problem fixed (#217)
Latrine's : not confirmed, but could be fixed as suggested by Scorp in #217 (#216)
WillUnderwater's : not yet fixed (#212)
Sounds good enough to me. It doesn't really matter if any gadgets go wrong as long as the manufacture can fix it.
The local distributor informed me that the shipment's finally arrived but still haven't confirmed the price yet. If the price is right then...
After reading all comments again carefully, I found that most of the defective units were actually fixed.
Giobbi's : fixed (#189)
mightyblues01's : working fine (#195)
Herup's : battery/timeloss problem fixed (#209)
Scorp's : entering FREE mode problem fixed (#217)
Latrine's : not confirmed, but could be fixed as suggested by Scorp in #217 (#216)
WillUnderwater's : not yet fixed (#212)
Sounds good enough to me. It doesn't really matter if any gadgets go wrong as long as the manufacture can fix it.
The local distributor informed me that the shipment's finally arrived but still haven't confirmed the price yet. If the price is right then...
Hi,
I just would like to note that in my case the problems I encountered with the F.10 (first of all the WET activation/deactivation issue, than the early battery warning) were not solved. As I wrote above, I sent the F.10 in and got it back with the affirmation that a "firmware update" was performed. This update didn't change anything. probably because there was no real update, since the service was done two month ago, and apparently the firmware update is not yet released, otherwise we would get some information here from Fondueset I suppose? Anyway, the battery warning is still there, although the battery is new, and the WET activation still doesen't work as it should. In this sense Fondueset is wright when he says that
in fact, the firmware rather has flaws than bugs. It is designed in a way that does not allow to turn WET activatin OFF as long as FREE mode is running in the background (for 24 hours - a totally useless feature as I guess everybody agrees); the firmware is designed to have no date in the logbook, to give only 3 beeps in the daily alarm ... --- but exactly this design is the problem here, and I think everybody would whish for a fast update so we could enjoy the F.10 with all the wonderful features it has.
I bougth the watch exactly because of all the good features it has. Nobody will doubt that the concept of the F.10 is very good. For example, I excluded the D4 immediately because you can't change the battery yourself - I hate it when manufacturers include design features (like a not user replaceable battery) that obviously have no other reason than pulling some more money out of our pockets. But we may as well admit that, in the case of the F.10, the implementation of the concept is still far from flawless. Please, Aeris technical team, if you really declared the F.10 issue-solving as top priority - hurry up!
ivo
Just a question out of a curiosity, Ivo. Why do you want to be able turning off the wet activation while in freedive mode? Not that I can't imagine such situation, but wonder whether it is something that is needed regularly, and that cannot be simply solved by turning it off before getting the watch wet.
Hi Ivo!
Very simple. I train in a facility with 2 pools. one of them is 25m, but is too shallow at one end to log a dive. the other is 4m deep. I train in both, depending of how many people there are. So it happens often that in the beginning I am in the deep one and than change to the shallow one where i want to use the F.10 as a simple watch. that's not possible however, cause it activates in the deeper part of the pool and stops logging after half the lap. or I do empty lung statics in the deep pool and change to the shallow one for dynamics - the same story.
Cheers, Ivo
Very simple. I train in a facility with 2 pools. one of them is 25m, but is too shallow at one end to log a dive. the other is 4m deep. I train in both, depending of how many people there are. So it happens often that in the beginning I am in the deep one and than change to the shallow one where i want to use the F.10 as a simple watch. that's not possible however, cause it activates in the deeper part of the pool and stops logging after half the lap. or I do empty lung statics in the deep pool and change to the shallow one for dynamics - the same story.
Cheers, Ivo
I'm hearing you there Ivo. It would be nice to hear from Aeris that they are working on these issues, and when solved, we will receive a free upgrade. No time restraints here, just fix it, test it and release it. Mine has been in the drawer since I bought and tested it, it pains me every time I see it.
Ivo - the fix for the battery issue (and other flaky types of behavior - like the screen going blank etc. ) is not a firmware update. It is the addition of insulators to prevent static discharge - it seems possible your watch was not properly repaired. Is the batter life short?
G'day Toramarn, just to note that I am happy enough with the watch for what I do with it, but I still can't download my dives (post #195), which wouldn't bother me that much except for what I had to pay to get a cable. I have contacted Aeris, but haven't heard back from them.