AIDA Results Register

[trux]

I can see that you are missing ATC 2009 - I know that half of the results can be found on: Triple Challenge

Rune, thanks for that, but unfortunately it is completely unusable - it is a bitmap picture of the results, which means I would have to re-type every single name, and every single performance detail by hand. I am sorry, I am a data junkie, but not to this extent. It is already a giant hassle to handle all those incompatible formats, and diverse data inconsistency, but I am not going to retype results from screenshot images. Please contact the organizer, and ask them to send me an Excel or an Open Office spreadsheet, or another format that I could parse at least partially automatically. Or if they do not have it, and you want to see the results in the ranking, retype the results (including all details) into a spreadsheet file yourself, and send it to me, after double-checking all data is correct. At least you'll be able to imagine how big pain in the a$$ such work is

 

[trux]

... Kudos!
Pete

Pete, when I see you like it, perhaps you could help getting the results of the four missing Canadian competitons. They are as follows:

Vancouver Apneist Triple Depth Series - CNF, Anmore (Vancouver), 08/15/2009
Vancouver Apneist Triple Depth Series - CWT, Anmore (Vancouver), 07/11/2009
CAFA Eastern Regional Competition, Ottawa 06/16/2006
CAFA Western Regional Competition, Vancouver, 05/19/2006

You are a star Trux.
Good luck with the database its going to be fantastic I can tell.

Well, you can help making it even better if you find me the results of this one:
Saltfree Double Dip, Chepstow, 09/25/2010

Oops, not sure whether the date is correct - so please check it out, if it is really a future competition or a past one. And if there are any others from UK that are not listed, get them too.

You can remove O.V.H. Dynamics 2009 from the list. Organizers didn't receive ranking status from AIDA.

Igor, can you send the OVH results to me anyway? I am also missing result from another Dutch comeption. Although from Bonaire, perhaps you know someone from the organizer team. And I am sure you can also find results from some Russian competitions that are not listed in the AIDA calendar. Would be welcome too.
Bonaire Challenge 2009, Kralendijk, Bonaire, 08/23/2009

I'm glad I'm manually collecting all this info... now a good system to place it in.

Jorg, would you share some of the data, that I am still missing? Even old, non-ranking, and non-AIDA results are welcome. And of course, I can provide an XML live output (or another format) for your website too, if desired. When I move to the new faster server, I'll be also providing national, regional, continental, and club ranking for national federations, associations, and clubs to display on their websites.

... Get some damn excell sheets up while you computer guys work on something that will amaze us.

Sebastian

Too much ambition can paralyze you.

Sebastian, could you please send me the results of Nordic Deep 2009? The results on your website do not contain any details; only points, so it is unclear which disciplines they belong to, and what penalties there were. Dates are missing too. And please no PDF! Just send me the spreadsheet you work with, I do not want to have to convert it, and be fixing all those conversion errors, as it always happens at PDF sources.

And Will told me, you have also the results from these two small comeptitions at Dean's Blue Hole, so please send them to me too:
Dean's Blue Hole Crew, Dean's Blue Hole, 12/02/2009
Dean's Blue Hole Rehearsal, Dean's Blue Hole, 11/24/2009

And all others, please get it rolling in too. So far, I did not get much from the missing results. Most of them I had to search alone, which is time consuming, and I could use the time better for improving the system and fixing the data. So please show some activity, and try helping out, little bit.

 

[osusim]

Well, I admit that if the points and penalties are not in the source results

At list you should compare AP and RP. But most organizers present correct final points like in results of RMC-09.

I have the 16x50 results in my database too.

There are also 16x25 and 16x8 in Apnoe BUG Cup (AIDA like rules, none ranking):
Water Live - 2009.02.14 Apnea BUG Cup 2009
(pdf's available)
Water Live - 2008.02.16 Apnoe BUG Cup 2008 (text)
Water Live - 2007.02.17 Apnoe Bug Cup 2007 (text)
Water Live - 2006.02.19 Apnoe BUG Cup 2006 (text)

Although from Bonaire, perhaps you know someone from the organizer team. And I am sure you can also find results from some Russian competitions that are not listed in the AIDA calendar.

sorry, have no idea about Bonaire, ask Pim.
I know some but all results in Russian. Mostly CMAS.

I see very weak results from Nordic Deep 2008, you lost most of them during convertion, check http://home.tiscali.nl/osusim/diving/performance/Nordic_Deep_08.xls or ask Sebastian and Jens Schou for official version.

Only Jonas Andersson has results of ATC 2009, but may be file already doesn't exist?

Result of OVH attached but not completed. In case of troubles ask Nanja, Eric or Rick for more info.

 

[trux]

Thanks for all the results.

At list you should compare AP and RP. But most organizers present correct final points like in results of RMC-09.

Well, in case of RMC, there are only the combined points, no points per discipline, so it is not sufficient. As I wrote, I may add comparing AP/RP later, but will need to check how exactly the rules changed through the history. At this moment, though, I have enough of more urgent tasks on the schedule. Preferable would be clean, full and consistent data from the organizers. As I wrote, it is not my role, and not my authority to assign penalties. This information should come from the judge/organizer.

I see very weak results from Nordic Deep 2008, you lost most of them during convertion,

Yes, I know - unfortuantely the API I am using for importing data from AIDA's result register does not return all what is in the database. At most competitions I could fill the gaps from other sources, but some are still missing. Jome's is working on the fix of the API, so I should be able to re-import the missing data soon.

 

[apneaboy]

Trux the 2010 salt free comp is a future event you are right, i will check the old comps for you to see if they are all there.steve
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[pim]

I can search for result Bonaire I have them somewhere...
Also I think I have results of ATC2009 as I did the starting lists, etc so think I also have the results somewhere....

About Nordic deep, please make sure results are comparable as there were some competitions that made there own calculations for DYN-DNF and CWT-CNF, etc....have them send in the ones used for AIDA-ranking....

Grtzzzz Pim

At list you should compare AP and RP. But most organizers present correct final points like in results of RMC-09.


There are also 16x25 and 16x8 in Apnoe BUG Cup (AIDA like rules, none ranking):
Water Live - 2009.02.14 Apnea BUG Cup 2009
(pdf's available)
Water Live - 2008.02.16 Apnoe BUG Cup 2008 (text)
Water Live - 2007.02.17 Apnoe Bug Cup 2007 (text)
Water Live - 2006.02.19 Apnoe BUG Cup 2006 (text)


sorry, have no idea about Bonaire, ask Pim.
I know some but all results in Russian. Mostly CMAS.

I see very weak results from Nordic Deep 2008, you lost most of them during convertion, check http://home.tiscali.nl/osusim/diving/performance/Nordic_Deep_08.xls or ask Sebastian and Jens Schou for official version.

Only Jonas Andersson has results of ATC 2009, but may be file already doesn't exist?

Result of OVH attached but not completed. In case of troubles ask Nanja, Eric or Rick for more info.

 

[trux]

Thanks Pim,

About Nordic deep, please make sure results are comparable as there were some competitions that made there own calculations for DYN-DNF and CWT-CNF, etc....have them send in the ones used for AIDA-ranking....

Yes, I noticed that at some competitions, but if incompatible system of points is used, I calculate it following AIDA standards.

 

[JennyWren]

Pete, when I see you like it, perhaps you could help getting the results of the four missing Canadian competitons. They are as follows:

Vancouver Apneist Triple Depth Series - CNF, Anmore (Vancouver), 08/15/2009
Vancouver Apneist Triple Depth Series - CWT, Anmore (Vancouver), 07/11/2009

Hey trux, unfortunately these two competitions never happened (missing EMT for the CWT - darnit, I wanted to get ranked! and not enough participants for the CNF).

 

[osusim]

Still several girls have DYN instead of DNF. See Teilnehmer

Trux, you presented results of 16x50 in seconds and as meters (m), can you change them to MM:SS as for STA?

 

[trux]

Still several girls have DYN instead of DNF. See Teilnehmer

Trux, you presented results of 16x50 in seconds and as meters (m), can you change them to MM:SS as for STA?

Oops, I did not even realize they show up in the results already so did not handle them yet. I did not list them in the reports, but forgot they would pop up when looking at the competition separately. It is fixed now. As for the other inconsistencies, keep searching, and make notes, so you can use it later, but for the moment I have more of it than I can handle. And besides it I am more than busy with writing the actual software, with feeding missing results, and with linking it with the AIDA Result Register.

 

[trux]

Hey trux, unfortunately these two competitions never happened (missing EMT for the CWT - darnit, I wanted to get ranked! and not enough participants for the CNF).

Thanks, Jenny. I took them out already.

Well, I managed to find around 30 other competitions on the web, and removed some others that were cancelled, so I am now down to 56 missing competitions from the list of almost 100 on Friday. They are all in the ranking now. However, it is disappointing how little information I get from users - I actually had to google the vast majority of them myself, losing so plenty of time that I could better use for the programming, and for the data gathering, converting, consolidating, importing, and fixing.

I would love if everyone of you helped me a bit. You cannot imagine how much work it is, to put together all that data, and if you let me all alone in it, I will soon lose the power, and the appetite to do it. I cannot google all day long and in the same time entering the data into the system, verifying and fixing them, and programming the interface in the same time. If nobody is willing to help, you may well stay without proper ranking. If nobody cares, let's make it clear so that I do not waste my time for system that nobody cares about, in fact.

To make it even easier for you to check the list of missing competitions, I created a shortcut link to it: APNEA.cz - Ranking
You can sort, or filter it by country, date, or by other criteria. Please pick up those from your country, or those you participated in, or simply some random ones, and try to get the results. Use Google, send email, pick-up a phone, or kick the ass of someone, but let it roll in.

There are also some results that are published on websites in format that I cannot use for the the data import. If it comes on a bitmap image, I would need to re-type all the details - you can imagine, how much work it would be at the 22,000 performances I currently have in the system. An example is Bizzy Blue Hole 2009. So if there is anyone between you who could retype the results into an Excel sheet, verify the correctness at least twice, and send it to me, it would be very helpful. You can see the results here: Freedive in Dahab april 2009

Thanks,
Ivo

 

[osusim]

In 16x50 for Jesper Stechmann shows as 12:59 7.7 points, must be 77 points and 1st rank.
Several athletes did 16x50 without fins. Most likely they are David Kent, Daniel Weißhoff and Aristidis Efstathiou (not sure).
In several German competitions Daan Verhoeven defined as Norwegian (N), he is Dutch (NL). This is repetitive mistake of Berlin's organizers.

 

[ericvrp]

Martin Müller also did 16x50 without fins during the last Berlin competition.

 

[trux]

Yes, I know about Daan, and normally I am fixing it already during import manually (cannot do it automatically, because some of nationality changes are legit), but sometimes it may escape my attention. I fixed this one now too. He was wrongly assigned only at two performances from about hundred of him.

As for the 16x50 DNF - at the moment I do not have a separate category for that, but can add a remark to the Notes field.

The points, its the problem of the stupid PDF format Germans use for all their results. I really hate it. When converting it to something usable, the converter removes all decimal commas (the PDF converter is as stupid as all Adobe's programs too, and without any imagination expects decimal dots), so I have to divide all numbers by 1, 10, or 100, depending on the number of decimals they had before the conversion. And since it differs at each result, I need to do it manually, which is lengthy, tiring, and some mistakes like in this case pass through anyway.

BTW, can you tell me how the points are calculated at the 16x50m discipline?

Martin Müller - I do not see him in the 16x50 results from the 12th GNA. Do you mean another competition, Eric? Or did they forget him?

 

[trux]

Also, could anyone tell me when the AP>RP penalty was introduced? Apparently it was not used in earlier years, but I did not search old documents with rules to find it out. Perhaps some of you who is judge could remember it.

 

[osusim]

BTW, can you tell me how the points are calculated at the 16x50m discipline?

According to my revers engineering
points = 1000 * 60 / (result in seconds), rounded to 1 digit after comma.

Martin Müller - I do not see him in the 16x50 results from the 12th GNA. Do you mean another competition, Eric? Or did they forget him?

Martin Müller have judged the competition and did his 16x50 DNF outside of the scope. I don't remember the result (about 29-30 min). But the result of Daniel Weißhoff can be count as informal WR

 

[Kars]

What was Daniel Weißhoff's DNF 16x50 time Igor?

 

[osusim]

What was Daniel Weißhoff's DNF 16x50 time Igor?

don't be so lazy, make extra click by you mouse.

Some bugs:
after entrance to a page with competition results not possible to clean up the field "competition" to go somewhere else. The field is automatically fills by old name of the competition and creates dead lock for further navigation.

11th German Night of Apnea 2008 has date 11/15/2009 instead of 2008

 

[trux]

Click the button "all" for clearing the competitor and competition search fields. There is a technical reason for this, and for the user it is also faster than clearing the field manually. I'll try to enable the manual clearing later too, but for the moment it will stay in this way.

EDIT: OK, I needed to trick it out little bit, but it works now. If it does not work on your end, you may need to reload the page or clear your cache to reload the external Javascript file. Though normally it should not be neeed.

Thanks for the date, it is fixed.

 

[trux]

BTW, I purchased a new dedicated server (the one I am using is already 7 years old, and too slow for the traffic it now experiences). So I'll be shutting down the site probably later this evening, or perhaps tomorrow, and it may stay down for several hours before the new IP address of the domain propagates through domain names servers.

Also: the server costs several thousands of dollars each year, so any donations, or sponsorhip (in exchange for advertisement banners) that help me keeping up the website, are welcome. So far, during the four years of existence, I managed to collect 60€ (the live donation status is shown down left near the donation button) + less than a handful of paid memberships, so besides the thousands of hours invested, there is also a huge financial loss. So far I could afford it, but unless I find a sponsor/investor, it will likely not be possible for a long time.