BSA MCZ News & Discussion

[Yeti]

They dont get it Yeti your wastein ya breath !

aye cheers lad but don't forget it's only my opinion I'm expressing, and all are entitled to voice theirs in the same manner. I don't expect folk to agree with it but I respect it's nice to have a say. I just struggle to take myself seriously....let alone anything else!

I do worry though (purely from a selfish point of view I guess if you were to examine it) that given it is one of the few things I do where once my head is in the water I can escape all the cr@p and 'trappings' of life, why try and take all that with you? Yes we live in a changing world and times but even so??

I know its not directly MPZ but I work up to my neck in health and safety and legislation blah blah (all based around 'competency' and 'training') If you dismantle it all, all that is left is the guy who has no one left to point a finger at? if you can successfully point the finger and make a few quid training the guy you are pointing the finger at, so he can point at the next man wohoo the heat is off, you can start building your ethical morality soap box because you've done your bit.

If the guy at the bottom manages to push the sh!t uphill (given it rolls downhill normally) the guys going the other way want to protect their interests, and so the game of 'adding more layers of regulation and legislation tennis' begins. It is a very difficult, if not impossible, thing once set in motion to stop. It continues until cost or 'blame' causes either; the guys at the bottom to start dropping of the end, or it collapses under its own beurocratic mass.

If you are unlucky enough to be the guy at the end with no one to point the finger at because those previous have it all 'stitched up', it can quite often seem we are successfully convinced into pointing the finger at ourselves and questioning our own abilities and somehow 'seek' training and desire rules to obey?? why? Qualifications and courses etc are a great arena of knowledge but be careful because insurance companies LOVE them.....'we told em we did, but they didn't listen' !

......just an opinion from inside the mind of a man with a 'head full of screaming seagulls' (or so I've been told) :hmm

 

[denian]

"once my head is in the water I can escape all the cr@p and 'trappings' of life, " . This is the crux of it Yeti .:friday

 

[Kars]

The difference between Believe and Reality provides the profit.

Example:

Crappy car (reality) sold by a slogan: 'a Great classic' (belief) = a great profit.

What does this have to do with the issue?

Well government needs to sell to you the believe, a problem like 'nature is nearly dead', implying, reinforcing your believe that you need them. The more you believe you need them, the more you'll happily pay for their protection racket, the more you'll accept submitting your will to theirs.

Contrary to voluntary interactions with salesmen, government is a special case. Because they have the power monopoly, a horde of true believers and the tools to impose it governments will upon others. The only thing that keeps them from acting like dictators is that they understand that we will produce a lot less and require a lot more controlling effort (equals lower efficiency) if we stop believing we're free.

 

[Paul Smith]

Charlie Chaplin once said
"A day without laughter is a day wasted"
I have just spent the last half hour reading this thread

Thanks guys - I haven't wasted my day

 

[Yeti]

'tis what life is all about indeed! :friday

 

[Davidocallaghan]

Charlie Chaplin once said
"A day without laughter is a day wasted"
I have just spent the last half hour reading this thread

Thanks guys - I haven't wasted my day

Hi paul many a true word said with a smile but they are all barking madeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

[artiz]

Charlie Chaplin once said
"A day without laughter is a day wasted"
I have just spent the last half hour reading this thread

Thanks guys - I haven't wasted my day

Charlie Chaplin also once said,

"Man as an individual is a genius. But men in the mass form the headless monster, a great brutish idiot that goes where prodded."

You clearly haven't read enough?

 

[Jonny250]

You clearly haven't read enough?

or maybe he hasn't googled CC quotes which isn't very hard to do really.

Artiz, folks are just having a bit of fun. please lighten up a bit and stop being so aggressive to people.

 

[artiz]

hey folks, just to let you know that i am about to start cleaning up this thread a little. please don't post here just for now. Thanks.
OK. Done.
I have moved some posts to either a new thread on Spearfishing competitions, or Spearfishing - are we under threat, or to a private thread for the other mod's to check. Nothing has been deleted. If you think a post has been moved to the incorrect thread then please let us know and we can review it, thanks.

or maybe he hasn't googled CC quotes which isn't very hard to do really.

Artiz, folks are just having a bit of fun. please lighten up a bit and stop being so aggressive to people.

Safe to assume you won't be 'cleaning up the thread' again here then?

I fail to feel or indeed see any aggression in my posts Jonny... why do you?

 

[Jonny250]

quite right Artis, i wont be cleaning it up again, no need for that
I am just asking you to be more considerate about how you treat other members of this community.

 

[kingsoldier]

Well said Scott .

 

[Robbo66]

quite right Artis, i wont be cleaning it up again, no need for that
I am just asking you to be more considerate about how you treat other members of this community.

Staggering.

Jonny, Artiz was never rude, never agressive. He has a different point of view as do I and many others.

His points have ben succinct and well made.

The responses to his posts offer little in both maturity and relevance, with still no clear, defined response as to the contradictory position the BSA holds when representing us as regards sustainability.

That, I assume, is because it's impossible.

 

[Yeti]

off topic:

How's this for mature.....

Staggering.........

......is exactly what I intend to be doing (most of the summer) after a good days fishing and entertainment with friends new and old, all washed down with a less than modest quantity of cider! :friday :yack

back on topic:

Again just a point of view but I suspect even if comps were attended once a month by a full complement of UK spearos it would still be considered in the realms of 'sustainable' as defined by the likes of these gadgys! (just an example)

What IS the definition of sustainable you are championing.....and can I see your draft proposals for re-writing the likes of 'their' policy.....please....no scratch that, a summary will do.

 

[bobdonny]

off topic:

How's this for mature.....



......is exactly what I intend to be doing after a good days fishing and entertainment with friends new and old, all washed down with a less than modest quantity of cider! :friday :Jack

dude.... Sounds like just what I need after my winter season.... And then later I can get around to some decent dives... or can I take an Irish franchise off you

 

[BSA]

Good afternoon!

I’m currently associated with a project run under the European Fisheries Fund and the Welsh Assembly Government to try and get a better understanding of Bass population across Wales.

1, In essence we are interested in collecting two sets of data as follows;
1) Any length and weight data (historical and new) with an indication of data fished and the effort (hours fished) with a geographical location (location to a level the data submitters are comfortable in providing)
2) 2, Sample collection (scales, guts and gonads!) and length/weight data, this is to build up key fisheries population data, in essence tieing up sexual maturity with length, weight and sex which really helps understand the fish population in Wales.


I would also like to add that all data would be anonymous and detailed geographical information will not be published and that there is no intention of its use to restrict recreational fishing activities (I’m a very keen recreational sea angler myself!)

If you think there would be any interest then please let me know and we can discuss further.


Best regards
Graham Monkman
Bangor University
School of Ocean Sciences


HI Graham

The BSA would be more the happy to help support your research. However at present do not have many members in Wales. What we can do is circulate your request for assistance to the spearfishing community. and forward details of on how to help your research

Kind Regards

BSA Chairman

Steven Mullineaux

 

[Kars]

Well can we guess?

Has fish population increased?

- Yes? you're allowed to keep fishing with a (reducing) quota.
- No? you're forbidden to fish certain kinds (increasing numbers) and face quota's for the rest.

I expect only more burocrazy out of this scheme. Inventing governance jobs that cost so much more then the pay check the servant gets.


Maybe other factors such as pesticides and other poisons have a much bigger influence on life then a handful of fishermen.
Regulation works out for big industry, government and put the bill in hands of the tax-slave.
You can call me a cynic when it dealing with institutions.

 

[smull]

Many thanks for that encouraging response!

I will let the project leader here know, they will be able to send a few more details so you can let you members know, I realise that uptake will probably be very low, but it all helps.

Best regards
Graham

 

[Broseidon]

Hi Graham,

Can I ask what the actual purpose of the study is?

Is it collecting data for the sake of collecting data or does it have a deeper, more useful purpose that will yield actual ecological returns and help to protect / nurture bass levels in Wales?

Can you post some further details of why you want the data, exactly what you need and how to send it to you?

Mike

 

[artiz]

So the burning question remains.... has the recent BSA recruitment drive, web site revamp and new aims & objectives produced a significant rise in membership yet... or have the changes NOT gone far enough to attract the majority of UK spearo's who will never be interested in competitive spearfishing?

 

[eric aqua]

Artizan or whatever your name is.

The BSA is thriving with two new clubs starting up, many new members and a thriving Face Book page. I like many other divers don’t bother to look at Deeper Blue any more due to your constant negative comments. This page was set up to keep all spearos up to date on any breaking news, not as a platform for you to air your views, if you want to keep up your negative approach start your own thread.