BSA MCZ News & Discussion

[headhunter]

many of us have now recognised that we need to be a bit more ethical, thoughtful and proactive about the future of spearfishing in the UK and that is a major step forward… and not before time?

When did that happen then?
All I have seen is various people finally stepping up to say you are talking rubbish. It just doesn't seem to register with you, the delusional ramblings just keep coming:headrofl

 

[mirror]

Artiz , you do waffle on a bit like either a) a Guardian journalist b) an EU bureaucrat chanting the same mantra " ethical sustainable " etc Spearfishing has such an incredibly small participation level that 99.9 % of the public probably have no idea it goes on in the UK ! The quantities of fish caught are so small as to be totally insignificant to UK fish stocks .I think the BSA did very well to get DEFRA to listen to them , as they are an organisation with less than 100 members !!! The only real threat to spearing is likely to come by way of health and safety legislation not public abhorrence to "vast " catches at contests .I have been to a contest and catches were not large (some blanked ) and all the fish were taken to be eaten ,so see no problem there .It was not an intense atmosphere to the competition but it seemed like a good friendly social gathering of like minded individuals ,many of whom are very experienced ,highly competent spearos who deserve respect for being at the top of their game . Terry...

 

[artiz]

Aye but be very very careful with these words. As well meaning an intention these might imply from an organising point of view, they can rapidly be turned into currency......and that can be a rather dangerous road to go down, not to mention once something is quantified in such a way these things become very very very easy to legislate and 'control'......even turned into the usual 'gravy train'...........not saying it will, but I've seen a lot of examples that would suggest it's entirely possible. :waterwork

Yeti... life's a 'gravy train' and besides better to be legislated or 'controlled' from within by fellow spearo's rather than DEFRA or worse still European governance driven by uninformed public opinion. The idea is to stay one step ahead of scrutiny and subsequent knee-jerk legislation. The outright ban of Fox hunting in the UK (another publicly perceived blood sport) being the example to clearly avoid?

When did that happen then?
All I have seen is various people finally stepping up to say you are talking rubbish. It just doesn't seem to register with you, the delusional ramblings just keep coming:headrofl

Headhunter...you really don't need to keep proving that you are 16.. we know!

Artiz , you do waffle on a bit like either a) a Guardian journalist b) an EU bureaucrat chanting the same mantra " ethical sustainable " etc Spearfishing has such an incredibly small participation level that 99.9 % of the public probably have no idea it goes on in the UK ! The quantities of fish caught are so small as to be totally insignificant to UK fish stocks .I think the BSA did very well to get DEFRA to listen to them , as they are an organisation with less than 100 members !!! The only real threat to spearing is likely to come by way of health and safety legislation not public abhorrence to "vast " catches at contests .I have been to a contest and catches were not large (some blanked ) and all the fish were taken to be eaten ,so see no problem there .It was not an intense atmosphere to the competition but it seemed like a good friendly social gathering of like minded individuals ,many of whom are very experienced ,highly competent spearos who deserve respect for being at the top of their game . Terry...

mirror... any health and safety legislation can be negated by official safety training and individual qualification thereby shifting the responsibility for safety and risk assessment from the organization to the individual?
Lastly, the only spearo's I can fully respect are the one's who clearly express genuine care and responsibility for the sustainability of the Ocean environment and the sea life taken from it... whether they compete or not. Of course we catch, kill and eat our quarry... how we do that and what effect we may or may not have is now coming under increasing scrutiny and we need to prepare intelligently for that as a united, official, self-regulating body which is neither hypocritical or contradictory and demonstrates adherence to a consensual ethical framework... particularly if we have any chance of spearfishing with even some freedom in the long term... common sense surely?

Marine Science report/recommendations from the House of Commons Science & Technology Committee regarding all 127 MCZ's (11th April 2013)

 

[Yeti]

Yeti... life's a 'gravy train' and besides better to be legislated or 'controlled' from within by fellow spearo's rather than DEFRA or worse still European governance driven by uninformed public opinion. The idea is to stay one step ahead of scrutiny and subsequent knee-jerk legislation. The outright ban of Fox hunting in the UK (another publicly perceived blood sport) being the example to clearly avoid?

that was kinda my point, except more the point I was making is that in all likelyhood that control WILL be by the likes of those you mention, particularly if there is revenue and 'job creation' involved. Not sure control would ever remain 'within'. Creating a suitable stick to be snatched away and then beaten with. :waterwork hey ho....its only an opinion after all.

 

[headhunter]

Artiz,
Does writing in bold make what you type more important?
Are you calling for some sort of compulsory training and licencing system for spearfishing? Because thats what it sounds like. Why would any sane person do that?

 

[artiz]

Artiz,
Does writing in bold make what you type more important?
Are you calling for some sort of compulsory training and licencing system for spearfishing? Because thats what it sounds like. Why would any sane person do that?

Mainly because something like it (not licensing or compulsory) has been proposed by the BSA... and if you were a member you would know that?

 

[headhunter]

Mainly because something like it (not licensing) has been proposed by the BSA... and if you were a member you would know that?

When? do you have any evidence or details?
I cant see anything on the BSA website

 

[artiz]

When? do you have any evidence or details?
I cant see anything on the BSA website

Do you actually read any of the announcements made by the BSA on this thread or just post inane twaddle for the sake of it? Try reading the BSA's Recruitment Statement on page 2... of this thread???

 

[artiz]

I'm not here to banter 'personals' with twits or degrade the BSA... I'm here to put across the urgency of reform for the sake of the future of spearfishing. It has now become a serious matter which we all clearly have a stake in?
The unknown effects of MCZ's are on their way and if not all 127 now... then even more likely when Labour gets back in?
We need to be prepared and disparate groups of individuals sending angry emails is simply not going to make an iota of difference and neither is an organisastion which exclusively underpins a blood sport... whereas a cohesive and official... (safety/ethically trained even?) body of like minded members... just might?
However that organization must also be attractive to spearo's who do not like competitive spearfishing and at the moment because there are no more than 100 (?) competitive minded spearo's of a possible 2000 (?) or even 1000 or 500 for that matter... the BSA still does not currently represent a majority of spearo's in the UK or indeed anything like it!
So once again... the BSA needs to continue its urgent reformation and all spearo's need to join the BSA... we are very clearly dependent on each other now! END

 

[Yeti]

END

......doubt it! :hmm

 

[foxfish]

I doubt it too!
This thread has had almost 6000 views & is obviously an emotively popular subject! (poor grammar but cryptically correct LOL)

 

[octopus]

This thread has had almost 6000 views & is obviously an emotively popular subject!

Actually, we are running some bets in the background - hence 6000 views.
Most popular bet is "when will a certain person stop trying to establish moral police?"

I have 50 quid on "never".

 

[grantl]

So far I'm doing well on the 'How many posts before a certain individual is personally offensive towards another forum member bet'
In fact I think I've won enough to cover my diesel costs to Guernsey

 

[Yeti]

I'm waiting for.............................

 

[Yeti]

someones gunna do it to someone and.........................

 

[Yeti]

followed by.............................

(............sorry couldn't resist! :hmm)

 

[Yeti]

yes yes yes.......I know!

Duncan, you are an idiot!

:wave

Soooooo anyway back on topic.........these MCZs?? how much is parking by the way?

 

[Jonny250]

I'm waiting for.............................

Trouble is... the sign is facing the wrong way - He really cant get the message!

 

[Yeti]

...I think I might have just wee'd a little! oops.

 

[denian]

They dont get it Yeti your wastein ya breath !