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Euro vs. American???
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Yes Mishu,
The trevally (Rabeeb) and Hamour as well as the sickhen and canad are still here but the water is H O T (over 30C) so you have to drop below 20 meters... I was doing a scuba look-see last weekend to check some local < small > reefs and I think the hot water killed the coral. AGAIN. We will know for sure in a few more weeks.
I hope to go offshore tomorrow about 100 km or so out in the gulf towards Iran. There have been some very large fish spotted at a site that we hope to check if the wind breaks.
The trevally (Rabeeb) and Hamour as well as the sickhen and canad are still here but the water is H O T (over 30C) so you have to drop below 20 meters... I was doing a scuba look-see last weekend to check some local < small > reefs and I think the hot water killed the coral. AGAIN. We will know for sure in a few more weeks.
I hope to go offshore tomorrow about 100 km or so out in the gulf towards Iran. There have been some very large fish spotted at a site that we hope to check if the wind breaks.
HSD Speargun Article 2001
After reading a lot of the posts lately I thought some of you might enjoy an objective up close look and comparison between the different Euro style guns on the market that was published in the 2001 issue of HSD magazine.
The authors of the article, the late Gene Higa and Wayde Hayashi, as probably most of you have heard of following Gene's death, were past National Team and Individual Champions and among the most respected divers in Hawaii. There are lot's of interesting and surprising observations made by these divers about how these types of guns perform.
As a side note, one phenomenon these guys ovserved is how the integrated wing design stabilizes the front end of the Master speargun design reducing muzzle lift. Contrary to the newer Master America version in wood this particular gun was made of carbon fiber and balanced for a single band. The Master America is an exagerated version of this design to simply increase mass and balance it correctly for two pairs of bands. Maybe I wasn't too clear but this was one of the main points I was trying to make in the earlier discussion.
After reading a lot of the posts lately I thought some of you might enjoy an objective up close look and comparison between the different Euro style guns on the market that was published in the 2001 issue of HSD magazine.
The authors of the article, the late Gene Higa and Wayde Hayashi, as probably most of you have heard of following Gene's death, were past National Team and Individual Champions and among the most respected divers in Hawaii. There are lot's of interesting and surprising observations made by these divers about how these types of guns perform.
As a side note, one phenomenon these guys ovserved is how the integrated wing design stabilizes the front end of the Master speargun design reducing muzzle lift. Contrary to the newer Master America version in wood this particular gun was made of carbon fiber and balanced for a single band. The Master America is an exagerated version of this design to simply increase mass and balance it correctly for two pairs of bands. Maybe I wasn't too clear but this was one of the main points I was trying to make in the earlier discussion.
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Wahoo pudding
The diver pictured is a friend of mine from Panama named Marcelo. He is probably one of the best wahoo hunters in the world and has has speared more wahoo than anyone I know. A wahoo is a difficult fish to spear because you only find them in the blue water in the hardest to get to places. Seeing them is one thing, spearing them is another, and landing them is also another story. The fish can swim close to 50mph. We send him equipment to try from time to time and he gives us feedback...this time it seems positive.
The diver pictured is a friend of mine from Panama named Marcelo. He is probably one of the best wahoo hunters in the world and has has speared more wahoo than anyone I know. A wahoo is a difficult fish to spear because you only find them in the blue water in the hardest to get to places. Seeing them is one thing, spearing them is another, and landing them is also another story. The fish can swim close to 50mph. We send him equipment to try from time to time and he gives us feedback...this time it seems positive.
yeah Marcelo Cornejo (sorry if i spelled wrong) uses many guns to spear them. And as i see he nver fails no matter what gun. I saw him (in the pics of course) with picasso, omer alluminium, Riffe No Ka Oi, Omer Master, and now Master America....
I think this guy was sponsored by OMER but not sure about now
I think this guy was sponsored by OMER but not sure about now
6 figure sponsorships or even 4 don't exist
At least not in this sport.
Murat, I must be frank with you. I know Marcelo well and dive with him everytime I go to Panama. As good of a hunter as he is, and as well known in the Spanish spearfishing community as he is, he's still like the rest of us and works for a living and makes a very humble one.
If you consider sponsorship a discount on gear from a manufacturer or a seller, or a promo/demo of something new to try every once in a while then yes-he is sponsored.
But today, in this sport, "Sponsorships" that leave connotations of Nascar racing with the sponsors logo all over the cars (or Formula 1 whichever you prefer) and make you think of lucrative endorsements are not even close to the reality of the spearfishing market. There exists (I know this for a fact) less than ten divers maybe five in the entire world, freedivers or spearfisherman, who actually receive a monetary stipend from their sponsor. And the sponsors are actually not the dive manufacturers themselves but watch companies and bigger companies from bigger industries. I've met most of the pros from the biggest companies (Cressi, Mares,Omer,Sporasub) and can tell you this with good certainty. This is a very small industry and none of the companies involved have that luxury.
Dive hard and maybe one day you'll be sponsored too!
(at a discount)
At least not in this sport.
Murat, I must be frank with you. I know Marcelo well and dive with him everytime I go to Panama. As good of a hunter as he is, and as well known in the Spanish spearfishing community as he is, he's still like the rest of us and works for a living and makes a very humble one.
If you consider sponsorship a discount on gear from a manufacturer or a seller, or a promo/demo of something new to try every once in a while then yes-he is sponsored.
But today, in this sport, "Sponsorships" that leave connotations of Nascar racing with the sponsors logo all over the cars (or Formula 1 whichever you prefer) and make you think of lucrative endorsements are not even close to the reality of the spearfishing market. There exists (I know this for a fact) less than ten divers maybe five in the entire world, freedivers or spearfisherman, who actually receive a monetary stipend from their sponsor. And the sponsors are actually not the dive manufacturers themselves but watch companies and bigger companies from bigger industries. I've met most of the pros from the biggest companies (Cressi, Mares,Omer,Sporasub) and can tell you this with good certainty. This is a very small industry and none of the companies involved have that luxury.
Dive hard and maybe one day you'll be sponsored too!
(at a discount)
sponsored by omer would be cool imagine that you paid for spearfishing But i am not the type of the guy that would like to handle all the pressure from sponsors. Even the stress of local competitions annoys me sometimes I can't think to be in the situation that i have to win world championship to make happy my sponsors so they continue to pay me:naughty
But i am not the type of the guy that would like to handle all the pressure from sponsors. Even the stress of local competitions annoys me sometimes I can't think to be in the situation that i have to win world championship to make happy my sponsors so they continue to pay me:naughty
Whoa...didn't know I'd spawn all this with a simple question.
I posted the question that started this thread hoping to get a little more of an idea of what the heck all the talk on these boards was about and so I could get a better idea of what kind of gear I needed. I learned a lot more than I expected to about spearguns by reading all the posts in this thread...not to mention yoghurt. Though they did get a bit personal here and there the "contensious discussion" brought out a lot of good info and stuff to ponder. Thanks to all of you!!
-Wavespin
I posted the question that started this thread hoping to get a little more of an idea of what the heck all the talk on these boards was about and so I could get a better idea of what kind of gear I needed. I learned a lot more than I expected to about spearguns by reading all the posts in this thread...not to mention yoghurt. Though they did get a bit personal here and there the "contensious discussion" brought out a lot of good info and stuff to ponder. Thanks to all of you!!
-Wavespin
My bluewater Master America
We made this gun in 1999. It later materialized into a smaller version for production-the Master America. The stock was made by a very skilled wood worker, David Drew from Attleboro Massachusets following my interest to meet a gun that met the criteria of combining enough mass and maneuverability into a rear handle style gun balanced perfectly around a 5/16" shaft with three bands for blue water hunting. The stock is a solid chunk of well dried burmese teak. The handle is the old T-20 with the three piece trigger of course. Power 3-18mm bands. The only change I've made to the gun since it was made aside from changing the bands and the shaft every so often was to remove the titanium brace on the muzzle and replace it with a pin system wrapping the shooting-cable around the shaft (this system came orig. from Bryan Yoshikawa's and later copied by all). A couple neat features are the way the barrel brings all the bands in perfect parallel with the shaft as they rest on the stock and how the closest bands to the shaft recess in the channels. The line release is a titanium pivot that pivots and releases the shaft integrated in the rear of the stock. There is also a titanium cap in the bottom to fine tune the balance of the gun with the removable lead weights. The feel of the gun in the water is surprisingly good and the aim is instinctive, basically an exagerated rear handle/euro design with integrated wings for mass and flotation in the front end (to keep it light on the wrist).
Any thoughts by anyone?
No diving this weekend I guess, wishing the Florida guys good luck during the storm!
We made this gun in 1999. It later materialized into a smaller version for production-the Master America. The stock was made by a very skilled wood worker, David Drew from Attleboro Massachusets following my interest to meet a gun that met the criteria of combining enough mass and maneuverability into a rear handle style gun balanced perfectly around a 5/16" shaft with three bands for blue water hunting. The stock is a solid chunk of well dried burmese teak. The handle is the old T-20 with the three piece trigger of course. Power 3-18mm bands. The only change I've made to the gun since it was made aside from changing the bands and the shaft every so often was to remove the titanium brace on the muzzle and replace it with a pin system wrapping the shooting-cable around the shaft (this system came orig. from Bryan Yoshikawa's and later copied by all). A couple neat features are the way the barrel brings all the bands in perfect parallel with the shaft as they rest on the stock and how the closest bands to the shaft recess in the channels. The line release is a titanium pivot that pivots and releases the shaft integrated in the rear of the stock. There is also a titanium cap in the bottom to fine tune the balance of the gun with the removable lead weights. The feel of the gun in the water is surprisingly good and the aim is instinctive, basically an exagerated rear handle/euro design with integrated wings for mass and flotation in the front end (to keep it light on the wrist).
Any thoughts by anyone?
No diving this weekend I guess, wishing the Florida guys good luck during the storm!
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Blue Water Master
Hi Murat,
Yes it does. First I was using 3 16mm(5/8") bands and then I switched to the new 18mm (11/16") bands when they came out.
I also replaced the tie you own system with standard bands and used articulated wishbone couplings to make them easy to change out. I replaced the actual metal wishbones with the 1200 pound grey dyneema that I find lasts longer than other soft wishbone material I've tried including cable.
You can see the bands pull in this picture and the wishbones I mentioned in the next:
Hi Murat,
Yes it does. First I was using 3 16mm(5/8") bands and then I switched to the new 18mm (11/16") bands when they came out.
I also replaced the tie you own system with standard bands and used articulated wishbone couplings to make them easy to change out. I replaced the actual metal wishbones with the 1200 pound grey dyneema that I find lasts longer than other soft wishbone material I've tried including cable.
You can see the bands pull in this picture and the wishbones I mentioned in the next:
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