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Euro vs. American???
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I had stainless wishbones on my RA, I hated them, they began to fray during my first outing. I changed them out with a set of recycled ones from a couple of my old riffe bands and I havent had a problem since.
I havent tried the articulated ones as of yet but I am a little weary of the advice I recieved from a fellow who asked my to try and load his Omer. "Watch how you load it it can take your fingers off". Ouch!
I do also like being able to tie my own, cheap, cheap, cheapo!
Anthony
I havent tried the articulated ones as of yet but I am a little weary of the advice I recieved from a fellow who asked my to try and load his Omer. "Watch how you load it it can take your fingers off". Ouch!
I do also like being able to tie my own, cheap, cheap, cheapo!
Anthony
Mark,
It doesn't depend on the milk - it's the technology! The US yoghurt is not a yoghurt but some cream-like substance...
Regarding the wishbones - just like Murat, I've used only Euro guns and the articulated ones were the only choice.
But in this regard I'm concerned about something:
All the shafts that came with my spearguns (three of the major producers) had certain problems with the hinishing of the holes for the line or the cuts for the wishbones, or both. The problem was that they forgot to use the fine rasp on those. As a result, the hole was simply cutting the line and the shaft for the wishbones were sharp as razors. Nonthing besides the steel line and the articulated wishbones would have resisted it. Of course, some work with the rasp eliminates these problems, but it's still something we (and the producers) should consider...
IB
It doesn't depend on the milk - it's the technology! The US yoghurt is not a yoghurt but some cream-like substance...
Regarding the wishbones - just like Murat, I've used only Euro guns and the articulated ones were the only choice.
But in this regard I'm concerned about something:
All the shafts that came with my spearguns (three of the major producers) had certain problems with the hinishing of the holes for the line or the cuts for the wishbones, or both. The problem was that they forgot to use the fine rasp on those. As a result, the hole was simply cutting the line and the shaft for the wishbones were sharp as razors. Nonthing besides the steel line and the articulated wishbones would have resisted it. Of course, some work with the rasp eliminates these problems, but it's still something we (and the producers) should consider...
IB
Ever heard that song? sorry its a southern song and the name of the girl in the song is actually Brandy.
Girls have always given me a hard time, I expect no less from you Lady Alison,because (singing) "you're a fine girl", and fine girls don't like me
I'm a bad bad boy.Hmm Wishbone, I have been enjoying that cream like substance for quite some time now
, never would have known it wasn't yogurt unless you'd gone through the thorough description of the hhistory and process like you did.So basically you see different divers using different wishbones but what you notice mostly is that the guys with shark fin shafts or pinned shafts all pretty much use either a soft wishbone like spectra or cord or dyneema or even cable. Whereas with most single band guns (Euro guns) the articulated wishbone is easier because it does not get in the way or is dangerous like it is with multiple bands.
In Hawaii a lot of the divers used pinned shafts, same concept as the sharkfin but simpler and not as pretty. Most use the thick 3mm cord like you see in (5) for that reason, it's strong, fits well on the pins and with mutiple bands won't cut the other stretched band or your hand when loading.
With notches on the other hand, your choices of cord or cable wishbones are limited to a cable or very strong cord of some type.
The cable eventually freys on the notches and hurts as the freyed ends of cable can prick you pretty good. The cord is not that strong and lasts less. Eventually they all will break but can be replaced cheaply. With a single pair of bands and notches the simplest solution is therefore an articulated wishbone. When you add one or more pair of bands this becomes problematic. With two articulated wishbones one can cut the band of the outstretched other band during the loading phase not to mention it doesn't fit the bands wuite well as do cord wishbones. This is why mostly all Euro single band guns use wishbones.
Take a look at these different shafts, you will see why some wishbones lend themselves better than others on the various setups.
Mark
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Sharkfins / Notches
Something I wanted to mention is the preference of sharkfins or pinned shafts for multiple band guns. Why not just use notches on these too?
Shark fin shafts look cool for one, are very well made and cost more to make than any other (more welding), they are stronger than a notched shaft as they replace the weakspot of the cut-out notch.
I have actually used galvanized and stainless shafts and after fighting a strong fish like a cobia or pompano watched them put so much strain on the shaft that it literally separated the shafts at the notches. Imagine my face pulling up a piece of shaft at the end of the mono. It was good enough to make a new stringer.
The shafts were probably too old and needed to be replaced or broke as a result of a big wounded fish trashing through a wreck trying to rub against anything it could find. None the less, as rare as an occurance as this is, it is the weakest point in the shaft and it is known to happen once in a blue moon.
One more reason you don't see sharkfin shafts on most European style single band guns is that they are not necessary. On a big wooden gun on the other hand with a semi enclosed or half track capturing at least 50% of the shaft how would you hook a cord wishbone to the notches??? Impossible to effectively hook the wishbone into a recessed shaft into the deep groove of the stock. The pinned shaft or sharkfin was the solution. Forget all the hydrodynamics crap
In arbaletes and single band guns where the majority of the shaft is exposed notches work fine. In addition since most use closed muzzles to keep the shaft from falling out pins or sharkfins would never work.
So there you have it, this is just my take on why one system (pinned vs notched shafts soft vs art.wishbones) is not necessarily better than the other. One simply lends itself better for one application over another depending on the divers preferences and the style, costs and other factors we can choose from.
Ciao and have a good week fellas, I'm going to Hatteras to surf some big waves in the Hatteras Blue water open before the spearfishing tournament starts...Hurrican Alex is right off our coast and is supposed to clear out before the weekend.
Mark
Something I wanted to mention is the preference of sharkfins or pinned shafts for multiple band guns. Why not just use notches on these too?
Shark fin shafts look cool for one, are very well made and cost more to make than any other (more welding), they are stronger than a notched shaft as they replace the weakspot of the cut-out notch.
I have actually used galvanized and stainless shafts and after fighting a strong fish like a cobia or pompano watched them put so much strain on the shaft that it literally separated the shafts at the notches. Imagine my face pulling up a piece of shaft at the end of the mono. It was good enough to make a new stringer.
The shafts were probably too old and needed to be replaced or broke as a result of a big wounded fish trashing through a wreck trying to rub against anything it could find. None the less, as rare as an occurance as this is, it is the weakest point in the shaft and it is known to happen once in a blue moon.
One more reason you don't see sharkfin shafts on most European style single band guns is that they are not necessary. On a big wooden gun on the other hand with a semi enclosed or half track capturing at least 50% of the shaft how would you hook a cord wishbone to the notches??? Impossible to effectively hook the wishbone into a recessed shaft into the deep groove of the stock. The pinned shaft or sharkfin was the solution. Forget all the hydrodynamics crap
In arbaletes and single band guns where the majority of the shaft is exposed notches work fine. In addition since most use closed muzzles to keep the shaft from falling out pins or sharkfins would never work.
So there you have it, this is just my take on why one system (pinned vs notched shafts soft vs art.wishbones) is not necessarily better than the other. One simply lends itself better for one application over another depending on the divers preferences and the style, costs and other factors we can choose from.
Ciao and have a good week fellas, I'm going to Hatteras to surf some big waves in the Hatteras Blue water open before the spearfishing tournament starts...Hurrican Alex is right off our coast and is supposed to clear out before the weekend.
Mark
Hurrican Alex is right off our coast and is supposed to clear out before the weekend.
Mark,
I have been watching the weather closely. Looks like the worst will be over today. I hope it gets gone before the weekend too. Good luck and have a great tournament! Send PICS! Most of all make sure everyone returns safely.
Mark,
I have been watching the weather closely. Looks like the worst will be over today. I hope it gets gone before the weekend too. Good luck and have a great tournament! Send PICS! Most of all make sure everyone returns safely.
Girl in bikin presenting trophy or Manny?
Mishu1984 and Dive Fan,
Manny is here because he believes in our sport and the selective nature of this Blue Water Spearfishing event. He told me to say hi to you ! He says hi to all the rest of the fans of our sport and a personal hi to Ricardo Hernandez. He's behind our cause 100% and wants to improve the image of our sport and popularity. Manny says we're part of the food chain out there doing what we do and...
"you enter the water you play by the rules of the seas"
"I believe blue water hunting and spearfishing makes people aware of the predators and wildlife and is highly educational, you have to understand the workings of predator and prey relationship before you enter that realm"
"it's a place of danger whild animals and high adventure and we need to keep it that way"
The world of the ocean is full of surprises and be ready for its surprises and enter it at your own risk"
- Manny Puig's personal disclaimer
Here is one of our sports most popular personalities holding the BIG FISH trophy that will be presented at this year's Hatteras Blue Water Open.
Mishu1984 and Dive Fan,
Manny is here because he believes in our sport and the selective nature of this Blue Water Spearfishing event. He told me to say hi to you ! He says hi to all the rest of the fans of our sport and a personal hi to Ricardo Hernandez. He's behind our cause 100% and wants to improve the image of our sport and popularity. Manny says we're part of the food chain out there doing what we do and...
"you enter the water you play by the rules of the seas"
"I believe blue water hunting and spearfishing makes people aware of the predators and wildlife and is highly educational, you have to understand the workings of predator and prey relationship before you enter that realm"
"it's a place of danger whild animals and high adventure and we need to keep it that way"
The world of the ocean is full of surprises and be ready for its surprises and enter it at your own risk"
- Manny Puig's personal disclaimer
Here is one of our sports most popular personalities holding the BIG FISH trophy that will be presented at this year's Hatteras Blue Water Open.
I remember a bit from "Wild Boyz" with Manny edging toward a huge menacing bear in Alaska, in his Omer mimetic wetsuit!
rofl
That show is one the funniest things I've seen on tv. Manny is always cool and calm which is a great contrast to Cris and Steve-o.
rofl
That show is one the funniest things I've seen on tv. Manny is always cool and calm which is a great contrast to Cris and Steve-o.
Wild Boyz
mishu-
Yeah I remember that one, Steve-O tied a line to a baitfish, the other end to his manhood, and tossed it to those tarpon! omfg
mishu-
Yeah I remember that one, Steve-O tied a line to a baitfish, the other end to his manhood, and tossed it to those tarpon! omfg
Re: Wild Boyz
This adds a completely different perspective to the word spearfishing...
Mark... I like the "pinched" notches on the top shaft! This would work fine with a closed muzzle euros methinks!
And Alison, please stop casting those spells around, cause in no time the whole forum will start singing and we'll be forced to establish some twisted spearfishing glee club... And with my singing abilities, guess who'll be making the far*ing whale sounds!?
Phrrrrt to yall!
This adds a completely different perspective to the word spearfishing...
Mark... I like the "pinched" notches on the top shaft! This would work fine with a closed muzzle euros methinks!
And Alison, please stop casting those spells around, cause in no time the whole forum will start singing and we'll be forced to establish some twisted spearfishing glee club... And with my singing abilities, guess who'll be making the far*ing whale sounds!?
Phrrrrt to yall!
Sorry for the photo quality but I tried to paste together a few instead of posting 3-4 separate photos. This is supposed to show the shaft notches which in my case were WAY to sharp. These are after much filing down. I had to replace the dyneema with this wire cheepo version for now since that was all I could get here. My intention is to try and find a better solution in the future but this at least keeps me shooting for now.
BTW Most here use these wire wishbones on their guns (I don't like them since they are louder under water but oh well for now) I did not see anyone mention them so I figured I would throw it out... never saw them myself except here in Qatar but I imagine they are about.
BTW Most here use these wire wishbones on their guns (I don't like them since they are louder under water but oh well for now) I did not see anyone mention them so I figured I would throw it out... never saw them myself except here in Qatar but I imagine they are about.
