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Hyperfin from Triton equipment
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Notentirely sure but i think so, its a clear adhesice which sticks to pretty much everything! dries fairly quickly as well, althoung i think total adhession is reached in 24 hours or something like that.
i'd just ask at your local hardware store for the product and they will be able to clear it up for you. i'd check my bottl e but have miss placed it since i moved house.... i hate moving.
DD
i'd just ask at your local hardware store for the product and they will be able to clear it up for you. i'd check my bottl e but have miss placed it since i moved house.... i hate moving.
DD
Hey Jon,
Be sure and let Max know about that! Get a picture before you fix it and email it to him.
My daughter had a fin from another manufacturer completely fall apart in the middle of a small lake (one of the 3 'big' fin makers). Evidently there are problems with glue quality.
I've been using the loktite Gel type superglue - it's a little easier to deal with. I repair my older fin pretty regularly - but is has been rather abused - particularly with regard to really radical temperature changes and freezing while wet.
maksym.moroz08@gmail.com is the addy I've been using.
I still wonder if some other super-strong but flexible glue might be better. They all use supergue - but what about something like drywall glue or liquid nails... anyway.
Be sure and let Max know about that! Get a picture before you fix it and email it to him.
My daughter had a fin from another manufacturer completely fall apart in the middle of a small lake (one of the 3 'big' fin makers). Evidently there are problems with glue quality.
I've been using the loktite Gel type superglue - it's a little easier to deal with. I repair my older fin pretty regularly - but is has been rather abused - particularly with regard to really radical temperature changes and freezing while wet.
maksym.moroz08@gmail.com is the addy I've been using.
I still wonder if some other super-strong but flexible glue might be better. They all use supergue - but what about something like drywall glue or liquid nails... anyway.
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I'll ask my brother - he runs the Czech industrial division of Henkel (the owner of the brand Loctite), so he should be able to tell me what's the exactly the best type for this purpose (including for the extreme conditions of Fondueset's freediving). Now he's probably already in bed, but I'll try to get hold of him tomorrow.
As for glueing my Waterway classic fin foot pocket on it's blade, I use TWO types of glue. For the tips I use the 'super glue' and after that for the vast big surface area I use Tiptop 4 (a more flexible truck tire glue).
The super glue is usually very hard and ridged designed for surface small area's, because of the different way the glued surfaces expend, stretch, bent and move in relation to each other.
But like said above go with your finbuilders' advice first.
Don't worry about your fin's health, she'll be al right soon.
Love, Courage and Water,
Kars
PS. I find the Loctite really expensive, E 60,- for tiny bottle, so I use Bison industrial superglue, E 5,50 with the same ease and results. Plan your glueing procedure for the glue allows little timing margin
The super glue is usually very hard and ridged designed for surface small area's, because of the different way the glued surfaces expend, stretch, bent and move in relation to each other.
But like said above go with your finbuilders' advice first.
Don't worry about your fin's health, she'll be al right soon.
Love, Courage and Water,
Kars
PS. I find the Loctite really expensive, E 60,- for tiny bottle, so I use Bison industrial superglue, E 5,50 with the same ease and results. Plan your glueing procedure for the glue allows little timing margin
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Bought some Loctite superglue at the hardware store and just dried out the area with an air gun and glued it up. I'm going to let it set overnight and try it in the morning.
I have 5200 sitting around from gluing my C4 blades into their footpockets, before I switched to Mustangs, and could use that if it would work better. For now I'll use the Loctite, fully expecting it to fall apart sooner or later, and then try something different. I saw the Loctite gel superglue and thought ab out it, but should be set with glue for at least a week or two.
Trux, I'd be really interested in what your brother has to say.
Jon
I have 5200 sitting around from gluing my C4 blades into their footpockets, before I switched to Mustangs, and could use that if it would work better. For now I'll use the Loctite, fully expecting it to fall apart sooner or later, and then try something different. I saw the Loctite gel superglue and thought ab out it, but should be set with glue for at least a week or two.
Trux, I'd be really interested in what your brother has to say.
Jon
Got an email back from Max (who owns Triton) and he told me to just use the Loctite. We wasn't familiar with 5200 so couldn't offer a comment on it. He also mentioned that he thinks it's the individual batches of glue hat he buys- always the same type, but differing results when it comes to durability.
I took the fin back to pool this morning and swam for another hour. Everything seems to be holding up. As far as the fin itself, I'm pretty darn pleased with it. Every monofin I've owned to date was either so painful I couldn't wear it for more than 20 minutes or super comfy, but lacking in performance. Some of them had no blade angle and that is something that I really need. This seems to be a nice compromise between the two.
I can wear 5mm socks with it and keep it on my feet for the better part of an hour right out of the box- which is a feat in itself for me! My left foot felt perfect the whole time I wore it. My right arch would cramp a bit from time to time. I've heard from others that you get used to the thing in short order. I'm not sure why the cramping is only in one foot, but it's way less painful than anything I experienced with my old Water Way #2 or Specialfin's Dolphin monofins.
One thing that I would recommend is a spray can of water based silicone lube to help slide into the footpockets- they are meant to fit tight. The silicone helps me slide my foot in all the way, with very little effort, and seems to "seat" them better over my wetsuit socks- no bunching up!
Now, I'm just waiting for the lakes to clear up a bit so I can try it in openwater.
Jon
I took the fin back to pool this morning and swam for another hour. Everything seems to be holding up. As far as the fin itself, I'm pretty darn pleased with it. Every monofin I've owned to date was either so painful I couldn't wear it for more than 20 minutes or super comfy, but lacking in performance. Some of them had no blade angle and that is something that I really need. This seems to be a nice compromise between the two.
I can wear 5mm socks with it and keep it on my feet for the better part of an hour right out of the box- which is a feat in itself for me! My left foot felt perfect the whole time I wore it. My right arch would cramp a bit from time to time. I've heard from others that you get used to the thing in short order. I'm not sure why the cramping is only in one foot, but it's way less painful than anything I experienced with my old Water Way #2 or Specialfin's Dolphin monofins.
One thing that I would recommend is a spray can of water based silicone lube to help slide into the footpockets- they are meant to fit tight. The silicone helps me slide my foot in all the way, with very little effort, and seems to "seat" them better over my wetsuit socks- no bunching up!
Now, I'm just waiting for the lakes to clear up a bit so I can try it in openwater.
Jon
OK, so I've got the answer from my brother. He tells most of Loctite glues are instant cyanoacrillic adhesives that stick fast, well, strong, and often stick well rubber too, but their problem is relatively low water resistance (that may explain why the fins go on falling apart).
Loctite manufactures also epoxy adhesives, which are much more resistant against water and diverse chemistry. Their problem is the tendence to peel off easier.
In any way, he tells sticking rubber to other compounds is the most problematic matter. It is quite important to know the exact type of rubber (EPDM, SBR, silicone, ...) for selecting the right glue.
He thinks the best for this purpose may be an elastic glue that is used for example in the automobile industry for fixing screens and windows. It is a PUR elastomer. He tells it may be best or necessary using a different primer (I suppose it is some substance to use before the glue) on the fiberglass blade, and different primer on the rubber.
Anyway, he will ask people directly from the Loctite department, and let me know better. I'll post it again here then, but do not know how long it takes.
Loctite manufactures also epoxy adhesives, which are much more resistant against water and diverse chemistry. Their problem is the tendence to peel off easier.
In any way, he tells sticking rubber to other compounds is the most problematic matter. It is quite important to know the exact type of rubber (EPDM, SBR, silicone, ...) for selecting the right glue.
He thinks the best for this purpose may be an elastic glue that is used for example in the automobile industry for fixing screens and windows. It is a PUR elastomer. He tells it may be best or necessary using a different primer (I suppose it is some substance to use before the glue) on the fiberglass blade, and different primer on the rubber.
Anyway, he will ask people directly from the Loctite department, and let me know better. I'll post it again here then, but do not know how long it takes.
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OK, so I got some more info directly from the Loctite engineers - they told the Loctite 406 is a good choice, but even better might be Loctite 480.
As for using the glue for fixing car windscreens, that would be for example the Terostat-8597 for polyurethane based rubbers. You then need to use different substrate for each of the surfaces - one for the laminated fiberglass blade, and another one for the rubber. Car services should have all the necessary components.
As for using the glue for fixing car windscreens, that would be for example the Terostat-8597 for polyurethane based rubbers. You then need to use different substrate for each of the surfaces - one for the laminated fiberglass blade, and another one for the rubber. Car services should have all the necessary components.
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Well here we are again,as of March 11 09 Max and I agreed he would refund the 300 Euros for the hyperfin and we would split the 80 Euros he charged me for shipping making the total he would refund me 340 Euros it is April 17 th and I was told my refund would come the first week of april despite numerous attempts at emails,text messages,phone calls,and skype NO RESPONSE! Curious coming from Max wanting to resolve this issue to be dodging resolution the big problem is I need to order my other monfin for a trip leaving May 15th so I need enough time to have my other monofin delivered.WAS UP MAX???
Oy vey.
Well, I'm honestly here not to reply to AQ - or because of her post - but just to say how happy I am with my new fin from Max - which has been hitting the pool 3-5 times a week since I got it.
While I think most of the reglueing I had to do with my first fin was a result of my letting it freeze and thaw rather abruptly almost every day - it is obvious he's made some improvements in the construction of my newest one. It shows zero sign of any issues. I generally wear it either with lycra socks or no socks at all and its been awesome. No V-bend and a substantially tighter feeling blade than my other fin - which I reserve for open water now.
Heres a shot at about 20 meters from last weekend - water was 2c.
Oh - and Max and redesigned his website - looks nice! Triton Fins
Well, I'm honestly here not to reply to AQ - or because of her post - but just to say how happy I am with my new fin from Max - which has been hitting the pool 3-5 times a week since I got it.
While I think most of the reglueing I had to do with my first fin was a result of my letting it freeze and thaw rather abruptly almost every day - it is obvious he's made some improvements in the construction of my newest one. It shows zero sign of any issues. I generally wear it either with lycra socks or no socks at all and its been awesome. No V-bend and a substantially tighter feeling blade than my other fin - which I reserve for open water now.
Heres a shot at about 20 meters from last weekend - water was 2c.
Oh - and Max and redesigned his website - looks nice! Triton Fins
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I spent a good 4+ hours in my new Triton Hyperfin today. I had planned on just swimming, but ended up shooting some fish as well. It is possible to spearfish while wearing a monofin, front mounted snorkel, and using a Hawaiian sling. It may not be the most efficient way to hunt, but it does work.
I was very happy with being able to wear the monofin for so long since I haven't been able to use it that often due to my sprained ankle- I'm still diving with an ankle brace on no matter what type of fin(s) I'm wearing. I had to take the fin off about once an hour, for a minute or so, to let my toes wiggle around. This allowed me to wear it for hours- and I could have worn it for hours more. I've only been able to do this in the past with monofins that had standard bi-fin footpockets attached to them. Needless to say, this type of monofin is much more efficient for swimming and diving.
Now the bad news. When I got home and put my gear away I noticed that the left toe had started to separate from the blade. I'll wait until tomorrow to glue it back together because I want to make sure everything is thoroughly dried out before I do so. It makes me wonder if this will will be up for the task of some future hydro-touring adventures I had planned for it. there's no way I want my fin to fall apart miles from nowhere.
Jon
I was very happy with being able to wear the monofin for so long since I haven't been able to use it that often due to my sprained ankle- I'm still diving with an ankle brace on no matter what type of fin(s) I'm wearing. I had to take the fin off about once an hour, for a minute or so, to let my toes wiggle around. This allowed me to wear it for hours- and I could have worn it for hours more. I've only been able to do this in the past with monofins that had standard bi-fin footpockets attached to them. Needless to say, this type of monofin is much more efficient for swimming and diving.
Now the bad news. When I got home and put my gear away I noticed that the left toe had started to separate from the blade. I'll wait until tomorrow to glue it back together because I want to make sure everything is thoroughly dried out before I do so. It makes me wonder if this will will be up for the task of some future hydro-touring adventures I had planned for it. there's no way I want my fin to fall apart miles from nowhere.
Jon
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Hey Jon,
My first fin requires those kinds of repairs after ever 6 hours or so of use - Though I seem to have got it pretty solid now. (as mentioned - I did pretty much abuse this fin - with freezing temps, radical temperature changes etc.)
I think Max has had some real problems with glue quality - I know leaderfins has - specialfins too I think.
I've had a toe come completely off - it is inconvenient - but the blade is actually supported from the underside so it keeps going.
My new fin has quite a few hours on it - all in the pool - with no issues.
Heres the latest from the 'cornucopia' area - near the mouth of the river here.
My first fin requires those kinds of repairs after ever 6 hours or so of use - Though I seem to have got it pretty solid now. (as mentioned - I did pretty much abuse this fin - with freezing temps, radical temperature changes etc.)
I think Max has had some real problems with glue quality - I know leaderfins has - specialfins too I think.
I've had a toe come completely off - it is inconvenient - but the blade is actually supported from the underside so it keeps going.
My new fin has quite a few hours on it - all in the pool - with no issues.
Heres the latest from the 'cornucopia' area - near the mouth of the river here.
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Every 6 hours?
Hmmm... That means I'll have to glue it after every day of diving throughout the summer months. Hopefully the glue I repair it with will work better than the glue he started with.
I haven't had a chance to abuse mine yet. Temps today were around 62F-64F- which is pretty nice for this area. Hopefully I'll have all the weak spots repaired by winter when the real cold water sets in.
Jon
Hmmm... That means I'll have to glue it after every day of diving throughout the summer months. Hopefully the glue I repair it with will work better than the glue he started with.
I haven't had a chance to abuse mine yet. Temps today were around 62F-64F- which is pretty nice for this area. Hopefully I'll have all the weak spots repaired by winter when the real cold water sets in.
Jon
I don't think you'll need to do it that often. Yours is more solid than mine - and also the rubber is not degraded from repeated freezing when wet. He did something different with our fins. The actual rubber on the surface of the toes does not appear directly attached to the fin on my new one - yet the footpockets are very firmly attached.