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Lunocet photos from DEMA

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trux said:
Are pro biking shoes attached to bike pedals under such angle too?
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Clipless pedals do allow some leg angle flexibility during the pedal stroke, through a property of the cleat (the part of the pedal system attached to the shoe) called "float". Cleats with different amounts of float (e.g., 15deg, 5deg, 0deg) are offered for cyclists to choose as appropriate to avoid knee trouble. I don't think this kind of system would be appliable in the case of the Lunocet though.
 
They claim something like 10 miles per hour............ Well maybe for 30 seconds I guess. And the videos look like the diver is trying very hard to get thrust.....that is totally alien to a freediver. Of course to breach would require every ounce of effort and so the 10 mph hour claim seems to me to be one theoretically possible for a few seconds only. Has anybody used one for an hour and gone further than a standard mono? I have contacted the makers and asked to test one for a cross channel attempt but no joy yet, |I gather they cant make them fast enough to lend (even an old model). (I really fancy a sub three hour channel crossing) I certainly would expect that if they claim such a speed is possible, it would require a finswimmer experienced and well trained in using it and I expect a new owner will be bitterly disapointed with its (their) performance until they have put in many hours. I just have serious doubts that it (or a swimmer) is capable of getting even 3 mph out of one for any serious length of time, more than one hour. If I am wrong and a swimmer can use one for 10-15 hours, day in day out, then I would certainly buy one. But they dont seem to be able to spare one to be tested that way? I also expect that a freediver will have to use a whole new technique (and train it for many hours), this might be detrimental to the proper freediver technique. Maybe I might risk my £1000 after Christmas. The thing is, I should not have to be thinking that buying one is a risk and the manufacturers need to resolve those concerns before they will be able to sell 1000s of them. One thing is certain, if I swim to France with one, they will sell 1000s.
 
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They are still perfecting the fin and showing as much as they can. I think they are feeling the pressure of public demand, but I'd rather see them come out with the proper design and not have to have upgrades in a few months as the design is refined. Or to be an early adopter of this new design to have it retooled withing even a year for a better, faster, more capable version.
 
I Agree ILdiver, it's better for them to take a few months more and flesh it out really nice, than having 6 months later a big upgrade. A 1000 euro's is not a small amount and than you don't want to see it surpassed in a few months.

The breach looks promising, keep it up!

Kars
 
10 mph even for 12 seconds would be nothing short of a sensation
 
This is why it needs to be tested now, research and development by serious finswimmers, freedivers and others prepared to give it some real water time (not just the people inventing the thing and using it as a recreational replacement for a mono). I understand a number of mods have already been made making their earlier fins already obsolete. The thing is, if this does become a serious contender, then it will be on everybodys wish list and standard monos will become a lesser product. I too, do not want to buy a new fin only to find it superceded in months. But I would be happy for lunacet to take the risk off my shoulders and let me prove they work. And lets face it, I doubt anybody else world wide would try to swim the English Channel with it, within the year. Its not just the effort of doing the swim that I have offered them (as a swap for a new fin), its the fact that I would have to give it such training , that I would have to scrap plans for my other swim inorder to train fully with it. It does turn me on though, but I dont think I can afford the risk.

The problem is that the makers would no doubt like to earn some revenue in sales and therefore the first batch will go to some very lucky people who must realise that they will get an edge and become experienced in its use, long before the rest of us get our hands on one, even if ours is mark 3.

I hope I get one for Christmas.............................
 
Hmm, I see now that he has done exactly this. Inconceivable!



 
Small point: why are these divers wearing zippered suits, especially when trying to generate speed? If you've ever done it, you know what happens.
Get a real freediving suit.
 
Those are the Orca speedsuits. Given what they cost my guess is they are plenty fast and well sealed.
 
Erik said:
Small point: why are these divers wearing zippered suits, especially when trying to generate speed? If you've ever done it, you know what happens.
Get a real freediving suit.
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The photo's show the Apex2 and 3.8 Orca speedsuits. They are the fastest suits in the water, and the neck seal is watertight. New design Orca RS1 skinsuits have a lower coefficient of drag than Speedo fastskins...
If you've ever used one, you know what happens
 
Interesting tests.

Is Ted testing his improvements also in a regular 25/50m pool? In my experience it's a better environment to time and test efficiency when you got a strait long stretch to test.

He could put the neck seal a bit tighter though

I see the feed are pretty far from each other. I'm not sure if it's a good thing. In my experience having my knees and ties together is more efficient.

Keep the information coming!

Kars
 
Kars said:
Is Ted testing his improvements also in a regular 25/50m pool? In my experience it's a better environment to time and test efficiency when you got a strait long stretch to test.
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I think that currently the primary goal for Ted is doing the perfect breach. That was his ultimate dream, and that's why he started to develop the Lunocet. Although you are certainly right that pool tests will be needed for tweaking the fin for optimal performance, I think that's actually secondary priority for Ted. And the same goes for long distance swimming - although it may well turn out that Lunocet is suitable for the Channel crossing as Haydn demanded it for, you should keep on mind that Lunocet is being build especially for burst speed and surface breaching. At least I believe it is the principal goal at this moment.

Kars said:
In my experience having my knees and ties together is more efficient.
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Yes, it was my thought too, but finally having the feet and legs apart may not be such a bad idea after all. I am not quite sure about the hydrodynamics - both methods have apparent pro and cons, so in fact we won't know unless we test it. But it has one big advantage and that's the maneuverability of the fin. Having the feet apart allows you much better maneuvering and direction control.
 

Ok I believe you. I just see the open neck seal on the pic above.
 
I can crack the neck seal on my RS1 if I streamline tightly, but in those videos Ted isn't really doing any streamlining so he'd probably be fine as long as it was done up tightly. My problem is simply that the suit is too loose around the neck/shoulders, Orca have rather kindly asked for new measurements so I'll make sure the next one is tighter.
 
As to the pool testing, I think the testing the Navy will do might give them some numbers to tweak with
 
this is easy,
I live in miami, and I will sign up for their event on the key's for the end of the month,
I do not have experience on monofin, but may be is good, you will have a small review from another point of view!!.
they are planning some long distance cruising, so I suppose is not only designed for shorts speed burst, but also to get a nice and relaxed long swim ?
eze
 
I am so curious on experience by new test users. So eze, make sure you will write a long and good test evaluation.
 
Well guys... the first production level lunocet, after seven years of R&D has shipped for Saturday delivery to Fondueset for his Blue Hole adventure...

Godspeed 007.
 
Fondueset....I hate you! Can't wait to hear your report sir!
 
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