North Wales, The Llyn and Anglesey 2016

[DafyddRees]

daffyd, I love the irony that you have failed to see the irony of your statement about irony. That's beautiful and made me smile..

Bless you - appreciate you trying to get involved but I fully accept that I am ignorant and hence there is nothing really ironic in what I said - just an objective statement about one of the albeit, shoddy recent papers on the subject! I feel even replying is setting a dangerous precedent for further attempts at trying to prove superiority hah!

Actually, maybe I am not ignorant...... I blame the weather, sea, equipment, spearo buddies ad neauseam for my lack of fish!

Enjoy Wales - it has some of the most amazing coastline in the UK which despite being similar to Cornwall, is still relatively quiet. I hear Traeth Beach can be particularly fruitful this time of the year!

 

[mattbarlow]

Hmm I detect a bit of tension..... People just need to concentrate on spearfishing. Also if you are new to the thread / area it's probably worthwhile knowing that most of the people engaging in or reading this thread know each other and dive together from time to time rather than just being a bunch of keyboard warriors. If you would like some advice on spearfishing in the area it's probably best not to piss them off by acting clever on the forums.

 

[Johndory Hunter]

Thank you Daffyd, I'm not sure I do want to get involved in whatever I have tried to get involved in....
There are known knowns. These are things I know that I know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that I know I don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things I don't know I don't know.

Matt - I have spent 2-3 weeks every year since 1991 spearfishing in Wales. I don't think I am an expert but I have some experience - any advice is always welcome!
I love Wales - my best day there was 31 Bass in one day (2 sessions) last summer.

 

[manalive!]

That's where all of the bass went then is it?

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[mattbarlow]

That's where all of the bass went then is it?

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There was me blaming Darius....

 

[manalive!]

Who's Darius?

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[mattbarlow]

Thank you Daffyd, I'm not sure I do want to get involved in whatever I have tried to get involved in....
There are known knowns. These are things I know that I know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that I know I don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things I don't know I don't know.

Matt - I have spent 2-3 weeks every year since 1991 spearfishing in Wales. I don't think I am an expert but I have some experience - any advice is always welcome!
I love Wales - my best day there was 31 Bass in one day (2 sessions) last summer.

Excellent you might also know the forum members too then. Banter is banter; but I have seen quite a few threads descend into slanging matches about stupid things when people who don't know each other are intending to have laugh; but written text is easy to misinterpret.

 

[mattbarlow]

He is Dario's alter ego.

 

[DafyddRees]

written text is easy to misinterpret.

Matt, I completely agree. The amount of times I have seen a benign comment taken as the ultimate insult is astounding just because you can't convey the turn of phrase in which it is said on forums!

(Look, I am even using laughing faces so that my comment can't be misconstrued )

 

[Joejoe352]

Can we all go and shoot some fish now? Going in tomorrow if anyones interested.

 

[Will Read]

Thank you Daffyd, I'm not sure I do want to get involved in whatever I have tried to get involved in....
There are known knowns. These are things I know that I know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that I know I don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things I don't know I don't know.

Matt - I have spent 2-3 weeks every year since 1991 spearfishing in Wales. I don't think I am an expert but I have some experience - any advice is always welcome!
I love Wales - my best day there was 31 Bass in one day (2 sessions) last summer.

Was last year not a maximum take of 3 bass?? Hopefully your joking, just the sort of actions that attract bad press to the sport.

 

[octopus]

Some of us spearfish to get the fish on the table.

I hope some day wider comunity will understand that catching my own fish is my basic right - right to eat.
Even more basic than freedom of speech.
I have a right to choose my lifestyle, even if it is (partial) hunter/gatherer.
For example, if I spear a salmon in the sea and eat it there and then (as sashimi),
what right anyone has got to punish me for that?
(while at the same time there are groups who can buy licences to fish for salmon in commercial purposes).

No offence, but calling it sport is, imo, really bad press.

 

[Broseidon]

I love Wales - my best day there was 31 Bass in one day (2 sessions) last summer.

31 Bass in a day? Wow. That's pretty disgusting really. I've seen you bragging about taking loads of bass already this year, dispite the ban and in another thread, bragging about taking more than 2,000 bass over the last few years.

We get it. You're an old, greedy, self-centred pedant that everyone hates. There's no need to keep rubbing it in.

Now move along.

 

[Johndory Hunter]

That's a mighty high horse you're shouting from my friend.
Am I really the only licensed commercial spearfisherman here?
I might say calling killing fish and calling it a sport is rather disgusting in my mind but each to their own.
I have seen you idolise other spearfishermen with pictures of boat fulls of catch but I am somehow different? Slightly hypocritical my confused young friend??

 

[Joejoe352]

Can we just go and shoot fish in the head.

 

[Will Read]

Perhaps sport isn't the right word but don't get me wrong, I am against competitive spearing. Sport to me is doing something active I enjoy. It doesn't mean I get off on killing for 'fun' everything taken is eaten by me or my family.

 

[octopus]

I understand Will. I am just trying to put across my frustration with the system, which is totally the wrong way round.
We all know that bass ban is the way commercial fishermen want to force anglers (and spearos who are really in small numbers) to buy commercially caught fish - to increase their market essentially.

At the moment, system starts species protection from the end of individuals and the last one to get sanctions are the biggest trawlers.
I think it should be opposite - if a species is endangered, the first to be banned are the biggest of the trawlers.
The next in line for a ban would be smaller trawlers, then all commercial fishing.
Then groups with "historical" right to fish.
Individuals, catching fish for their own consumption, should really be the last ones to be banned.

 

[mattbarlow]

That's a mighty high horse you're shouting from my friend.
Am I really the only licensed commercial spearfisherman here?
I might say calling killing fish and calling it a sport is rather disgusting in my mind but each to their own.
I have seen you idolise other spearfishermen with pictures of boat fulls of catch but I am somehow different? Slightly hypocritical my confused young friend??

Do you mean that you are a licensed commercial fisherman and also a spearfisherman? Or can you commercially sell speared fish?

 

[DafyddRees]

I understand Will. I am just trying to put across my frustration with the system, which is totally the wrong way round.
We all know that bass ban is the way commercial fishermen want to force anglers (and spearos who are really in small numbers) to buy commercially caught fish - to increase their market essentially.

At the moment, system starts species protection from the end of individuals and the last one to get sanctions are the biggest trawlers.
I think it should be opposite - if a species is endangered, the first to be banned are the biggest of the trawlers.
The next in line for a ban would be smaller trawlers, then all commercial fishing.
Then groups with "historical" right to fish.
Individuals, catching fish for their own consumption, should really be the last ones to be banned.

I would LOVE Tesco to publish how much of their fish counter gets discarded at the end of each day.

 

[octopus]

I would LOVE Tesco to publish how much of their fish counter gets discarded at the end of each day.

That would be interesting.
I do not know if you have read recent articles about practices of NZ fishermen - they discard the fish that is few days old, so they can catch fresh fish.