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Ice Fins / Rekord 3 Carbon

Ice fins -

http://www.omersub.com/catalog/fins/p11.htm Two years ago I was sent three pairs of ICE prototype blades following the unsuccessful introduction of the ICE fins that came out in 99' and were taken off the market in 2000. By and far Omer told me that if there was one product that they have always had request for was a new version of the Ice. So since the Ice were taken off the market in 2000 they've been working with one of the worlds leading thermo-plastic manufacturers based in Germany on a material that didn't suffer from temperature changes and stress cracks like the first, but still maintains improved performance over polymer (plastic) fins closer to the performance of carbon fiber fins. The other added benefit is it wouldn't have the issue of causing concern from scraping and rubbing against the sea bottom like carbon fins.

I sent the three pairs of Ice fins we were given for evaluation to Ricardo Hernandez (former trainer of NL world record holder Pipin Ferreras), Bill Ernst 17 time National Champion, and Dane Karcher of Florida whose an avid spearfisher from Florida and whose brother won the Hatteras Blue Water Open twice, something no other spearfisherman has matched yet among a list of other credentials to his name. Shaneshac on Deeper blue has also been using a pair for several months now.

Well, needless to say none of these guys in the US or any of the divers in Europe have reported one single casualty over a period of two years so we're looking pretty good I think.

The Ice will be out this Decemeber or January and should cost somewhere in the range of the BAT fins. I've personally not used the new ones, I loved the old ones before they broke, and they're well suited to diving conditions of 60ft or less and lot's of surface work since the blade is not as rigid as some of the stiffer carbon fiber or fiber glass blades while the energy return is optimum. They are going to come with a 3 year warranty and another concern some people have asked about, does the scratching cause the material to loose its clarity? Negative, they still stay surprisingly clear though however badly they're scratched.

CARBON REKORD 3

http://www.omersub.com/catalog/fins/p11.htm
Some of you may or may not remember this but Omer was the first company in the world to produce a Carbon fiber fin. It was actually with the collaboration of C4 (who then only produced bikes and a few carbon parts for automobile legend Ferrari) and Umberto Pelizzari, that Omer went to C4 with the idea of providing Umberto with a carbon fiber fin that would improve his world record freediving attempts. That was 92' if I recall with the Rekord. Then a few other Omer/C4 fins followed, the Formula, then the Rekord 2 which became a popular staple among the die hard deep spearfishing community. Since then came the Evolution, then the Evolution Pro until Omer discontinued carbon fiber fins from production because of the high costs associated with production and limited specialty market for a very finicky product that didn't warrant it. And now back by popular demand is an improved version over the previous carbon fiber fins, the Rekord 3.

The project: the carbon fiber fin has always been and love and pain relationship for many spearfishing and freediving fanatics and top notch divers who require the most out of a freediving fin. The high costs and relative fragility have always undermined the undisputable technical qualities of the product. A company like Omer that sells niche specialized equipment on a global level can't overlook the fundamental element of reliability, therefore the Rekord 3 project was initiated from a standpoint and research into the maximum reliability of a product. Obviously a carbon fiber fin will never have the durability against wear and tear of a polymer or plastic fin, but the improvements and concepts learned from other fin track records have helped improve this new fin as well.
Eliminating critical weak points with new solutions (no more screws/holes under the blade to connect blade to pockets), production guarantees of uniformity and consistency that consent to achieve identical blades from piece to piece, thickness variation in the carbon fiber that ideally distributes the power through the fin stroke, improvement of the design, rubber T protection along the sides of the blades...This is a list of all the technical improvements of these carbon blades. All of these innovations without compromising any of the great attributes of carbon fiber performance.

I could spend all day writing about the unique manufacturing method of these new carbon fiber blade which is a huge improvement and very fascinating (to me at least), from the reliability standpoint, over previous carbon fiber design but that would get boring.

What it translates to is that the blade is produced in a tapered thickness beginning with 2mm thickness at the base of the blade in the pocket and gradually decreasing to .5mm at the extreme tip. This is in concept just like a fish tail and the way the best carbon fiber blades are made today. This system allows a very responsive reaction of the blades from the kick of the diver thereby guaranteeing an ideal arc of movement in the blade during the kick.

This is obviously a pair of fins that like cars, represents a fancy race car compared to your minivan for every day use. If not used correctly or if used like a minivan for which the race car isn't designed it's subjected to wear and tear issues and problems normal fins aren't. What this translates into is its a fin designed for open water diving and high performance deep freediving and spearfishing which doesn't include beating it up or trashing on the bottom. Disregard of carbon fiber, from this standpoint, just like any other carbon fin will have its consequences for durability. Weighing only 320 grams per blade this is even more obvious. Just like the C4's, Omer plans to offer a 2 year guarantee against manufacturers defects and problems not arising from wear and tear issues or abuse which the fin isn't designed for. What it boils down to to me is that when you want something with the best performance you have to give up some trade-offs like having to be more careful not to tear them up on the bottom fighting a fish or whatever.

On a personal level, I have only used these a couple times since I haven't had a chance to do any deep diving, but personally I'm really starting to love them. They are incredibly light on your feet and very smooth on the kick, it feels like you're getting much more out of them than you're putting into them which is how carbon fiber blades are supposed to feel. The stiffness is a compromise between a C430 in the front half of the blade and C4 40 in the back portion which for me is ideal for blue water hunting and deep diving without tiring out my ankles swimming all day.

By the way I forgot, Into the Blue starring Jessica Alba is out in theatres everywhere now and has divers wearing the ICE fins.
 

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Thanks Miles, always nice comments much apreciated from a good hunter such as yourself. As far as testing goes, it's all been done as far as I know but I can always try to ask for you :) And Chris no problem, I'll just send one over to you too. Actually my mother is going to Michigan October 23rd, I could if you're really dying to see it send her in the plane with my gun (she'll hate that) and have her meet you at the airport and then you can send it back to us. That would be a stretch for some customer service though wouldn't it ha ha ha :D My poor mother, security would probably do a search on her and she'd wana kill me :ko

About the gun on EBay, that's just it, we don't know and we're not taking chances. I got a memo from Italy a couple months ago saying that someone in Greece was making knock-offs of the barrels and putting Omer parts on them. No offense to Greeks please, but there are several companies in Greece that specialize in knocking off Omer's products so its better to be safe than sorry. We are not going to take the chance of servicing or dealing with issues with anyones guns when we don't know where they came from.
 
Hi Mark,
So much info! That's great.
How about sharing some more about the RUNNER BLADES too. Are they the same as ICE but black?
Thanks!
 
Chris - nice water and nice pictures. This Salmon in the picture you sent me yesterday does look cool. I might have to look into going to visit my grandma now too....when my mother goes :hmm

I take it from what you said, it's illegal to spear salmon? how many are fisherman on hook and line allowed to take. That looks like it could be some fun, and that's probably why, just like lot's of other fun things is illegal. Spearfisherman always getting the shaft...Round up a few divers, you won't believe what difference it can make.

A federal Act. enacted by congress several years ago, The Magnuson Stevenson Act, specifically states all user groups in all geographical areas of the country are entitled to the same accesss to the resource as any other groups. It's not in the spirit of this act to make it illegal for spearfishing! This is a Federal law of course applicable in Federal waters which is our maing strong point and reason we're going to overturn the tuna ban with spearfishing gear this January. But, in your case, the act should be a model for state regs too. Push the possibilities of new revenues for local economies if spearfishing for more fish like salmon was passed.

pst- I agree now after looking at those pics, 90 or 100. A 90 is versatile but that water is clear enough for 100.
pps -what species of salmon is that? sockeye?
 

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Thanks for the advice - I am drafting a proposal .

If I succeed in legalizing and popularizing bluewater/freshwater spearfishing Maybe I'll start my own charter business/spearo shop :)

I've actually had a request from one of the foremost U/W photographers in the Former Soviet Union to start a dive charter/ travel agency. He's blown away by our water clarity and critters and wants to organize a trip.

I'm sure your mom would make the network news if she tried to board with a 115cm speargun, or even just the handle/trigger mech in her purse.

While it's true I've been out of the spearo game for a good while - it seems my stalking skills are in good order.

That Lake Trout shot is from about two meters - not too shabby for a fish that stays just on the edge of vis if it sees you first. Very fast too - and they never really slow down. Took 45 minutes for my lense to defog then bingo! I lucked out while trying to get a bass to do some tricks or something.

(the salmon was taken, obviously - with a thoroughly fogged up lense!)

Since we're on a picture jag - this is a school of laketrout from a couple days ago. They are around 20 inches in length. And a better shot of some Salmon - they are quite a bit larger - certainly approaching 30inches. They have a distinct golden bronze color in the late day lighting. It's interesting to note the differences in their hunting/schooling configurations.

They are either Coho or Chinook I think. Best guess is Coho. The blurry one was near the end of it's operational envelope. You can see they don't really look like other freshwater fishes - clearly built for speed and with an odd swimming style and very solid tails.
 
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OMer ice fins test

[ame="http://forums.deeperblue.net/showthread.php?p=568394#post568394"]Omer Ice Fins Test!!![/ame]
 
Although we're in 2006 and well into it, one of the most exciting new products from the Italian company has been really hard to get...even considering the advance booking orders.

Its only been recently that I actually got my hands on one of the first production Cobras, which look even better than the last pre-production final protototypes you can see flipping back in this thread.

So while the waiting list gets longer for them and the new flagship Omer guns start to trickle in I thought a few fanatics would enjoy a few pictures of the first Cobra before we ship it down to Austin's in Miami (www.austinsdiving.com) who has been waiting the longest and will be the first store in the US to have one on display.

Mark
 

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It looks really cool and great Marc,congrats on Omer.
Interesting mixture of wood and plastic on the handle workcraft,really hybride:t
Is it ballasted?
How about its head,can we see a little bit:) ?
And also the length of the Cobra and app. price please:)
Thanks for all information
Aydin
 
I got a chance to shoot this speargun in the pool last week and there was one particular aspect of the gun I noticed that really struck me which I had never noticed on another gun.

Shooting the gun stock (with no line attached to the tail of the spearshaft) I was happy to notice the gun was perfectly accurate at 15.6ft away with plenty of penetration. Vertical and Horizontal accuracy was impressive, with the other typical appreciable features of a wood gun in this class the shot was very stable and clean, you didn't feel like you just pulled the trigger with a more "explosive" return. This explosiveness is typical behavior you notice more on lighter carbon fiber spearguns especially, nothing really bad but more noticeable. Typically I notice that on open muzzle guns there is more horizontal inaccuracy, a few inches is not uncommon over a 15ft shot, while the closed muzzle guns can be slightly more vertically challenged.

Anyhow, what got me was the balance of the gun. Of course while you're reading this you're saying this is the distributor for the USA talking hyping up his new products yada yada yada...:) so yes this is generally extremely biased in nature but take it for what its worth, the price it took to write this...

First I noticed the gun floats with the shaft! I have never seen a teak gun float with the shaft in my life. Now what do I do! How do I stop it from floating to the surface when I'm trying to shoot it.

This particular quality is owed to one production change in particular. Omer took the white hard poly grip and inserted 20% expanding gas into the material. They're reasoning is that teak is heavier and this would offset the weight a bit. This makes the handle extremely light, it has a lower specific gravity than water, and is so light that it almost seems fake if you pull the grip off the gun by knocking out the pin. The extra ergonomic grip the gun comes with the gun is made of the same material but the difference is 4oz on the T-20 grip and 2.5oz on the new one. This may not seem like a big difference but it plays a significant role because the Master Americas in Teak was not this buoyant. The only other thing I can think of that would contribute to the added buoynacy is the extra wood wrapped around the pistol grip/trigger box one piece unit.

This also adds some flotation and its smaller in dimensions than the former T-20 handle in the Master America. So while standing on the side of the pool I opened up the snout of the gun realizing that I had the 10 small lead disks that come with the gun to work with and inserted almost all of them. I then had the gun near perfect and slightly negative and I suspect I could have gotten it perfectly neutral had I messed around with it a little more. Therefore depending on the thickness and length of the shaft used the buoyancy of the gun can be tweaked and fine tuned considerably and to ones shooting preferences. I thought this was really neat and worth writing a small chapter of a book on.:)

Typically these guns tend to be heavier generally and less manueverable than carbon fiber and their alluminum counterparts but when a gun is balanced so well it really is a good way to overcome the issue.

Mark
 

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STOP BRINGING OUT SEXY NEW GUNS!!!

I just blew all that coin on a 90cm Master America last season, now you go and break out another teak beut! and I want one :D

anybody want to buy a kidney?
 
anybody want to buy a kidney?
How much?:yack
I'll pay you not to do it! you won't be able to enjoy the gun as much.
I know we have a lot of loyal customers but we have to draw the line somewhere:)

Mark
 
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Maybe you could donate blood to a blood bank, and donate that other stuff to a fertility clinic!

Mark, one more thing will make that gun absolutely perfect, ..................a $299 price tag!!!!!!!

Jim "The wishful thinker"
 
Hey Jim!

There's a saying my old man taught me which I keep learning over and over...always trying to find something for less and later realizing why I paid less.

If the gun runs in the $500-$600's it will be right in there and under the cost of the custom guns on the market. Quality and workmanship is evident.
This is from a company that employs 30 Italians whose livelyhood is making and selling spearguns that like me take it pretty seriously and at the end of the day don't know how to do much else....:)

Mark
 
Great pics of the new gun! We can say that once again, the guys at Omer have done it!

Roberto
 
Very interesting about the buoyancy. Be interesting to see how it is in salt water - though I'm in fresh also - so the pool test will hold true here.

The smoothness of the shot is also a very appealing factor. Spearguns are slow enough that there is an element of follow through in terms of how the gun is supported during the shot. Lack of explosive recoil would seem to imply that more energy is transmitted directly to the shaft.

I see also the gun in the pictures will accomodate 3 bands!
 
Glad to see you guys are as excited about it as I am. You will not be disappointed when you see one in person.

Yes, as Chris pointed out, the second hole (in the 115/130's version only) is another reason its taking them longer than usual to deliver the guns. It's the first gun Omer has made to accept three bands. The 115cm and 130cm models (145/160cm overall length) are going to accomodate a 3rd band if the owner decides to use a heavier shaft like 8mm (5/16"). The gun has enough mass and can still be aimed and shot with one hand without excessive recoil and good accuracy. The videos on our website prove that.

The Cobra is slightly bigger than the Master America. The 100 we have measures 130cm from head to tail. While the band stretch is exactly 100cm from bands-to-back-notch there is some extra room in the front of the gun and some in the rear. This is slightly longer than traditional Omer guns with T-20 handles.

Mark
ps-delivery: the guns will start trickling in next few weeks. While we're one of Omer's most important export customers the Cobra numbers we're getting in is low and the orders exceed
the initial deliveries.
 
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Mark

Is the stainless line release standart for all the models including the excalibur 3000 (or only for the cobra and master america), if the line release still plastic, that is probably the only modification one could made to the excalibur guns. It looks like the perfect single band gun !
 
Thanks for your ice fine review Shane. I've got a pair inbound and we'll see how soft those blades are in 3C water.
 
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Thanks for your ice fine review Shane. I've got a pair inbound and we'll see how soft those blades are in 3C water.

I really have a craving for a set of these fins. but my Bat's preform so well in the cold water up here it's a hard sell. the Ice fins do take the cake when it comes to the "cool" factor :t
 
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