PETA F&@#ers

[DeepThought]

They are sure smart if they managed to understand the goat good enough to get her consent.
I'm not sure mistreating the animal even more is the right decision.

Would be even sicker if he decides to eat his wife now.

 

[BatRay]

From the Countryside Alliance today:

"Simon Hart on a vicious animal rights attack

On Tuesday, thirty-one animal rights activists launched a vicious attack on the East Sussex and Romney Marsh Hunt. The attack left one hunt follower in a serious condition in hospital, and several others injured.

This had nothing to do with protest or sabotage. It was a vicious and unprovoked assault by a group of mindless thugs. No more, no less. Sussex constabulary have arrested five people from London and Hertfordshire in connection with the incident.

The animal rights movement is dwindling in numbers, but is becoming increasingly extreme. Whether harassing businesses connected to the development of laboratories, threatening farmers and their families or attacking hunts, their tactics are becoming more vindictive and violent.

There is little separating thugs like these from the so-called legitimate animal rights movement. Their shared goals concentrate on hatred of people far more than any concern for animals.

We wish the young farmer who was hospitalised well and have every confidence that the police will bring his attackers to justice. "

Time to organize an animal-rights activist hunt .

 

[Oldsarge]

I've advocated opening a season on them for years! We could sell tags to pay for studies of their mating habits, allot proper bag limits, come up with decent recipes for Long Pig (although you can make gumbo out of anything) and think of the ingenuity it would evoke among taxidermists as they tried to come up with proper wall mounts.

rofl rofl rofl

 

[Huan]

, come up with decent recipes for Long Pig (although you can make gumbo out of anything)

Even though you can make Gumbo out of anything I still think gumbo made with poor quality ingredients like these would be kind of.......Bitter. :yack

 

[Mr. X]

In the news today...

Remember that idea about not testing drugs on animals and going straight to human test?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2087234,00.html
...I wouldn't fancy it myself .

 

[DeepThought]

I wouldn't mind PETA people volunteering themselves to save lab-rats.

 

[Mr. X]

From the Countryside Alliance today:
"The plausible face of animal rights

This week four animal rights activists admitted their part in the notorious campaign against Darley Oaks Farm in Newchurch which culminated in the theft of the body of the mother-in-law of one of the brothers who ran the farm. The campaign's leader, John Ablewhite, graduated from harassing hunts and was originally arrested with one of the individuals who was imprisoned for attempting to dig up the 10th Duke of Beaufort's grave.

However much they might like to consider themselves respectable and mainstream there is little separating animal rights organisations like the League Against Cruel Sports from the most extreme of their supporters. In the past LACS has employed people with convictions for a variety of criminal offences.

Ablewhite was a well-educated vicar’s son who worked as a supply teacher throughout the West Midlands. He would have been as plausible in a suit lobbying in Westminster as he was in front of a class. Just because those who work for animal rights organisations don a layer of respectability does not mean that they differ in their disregard for basic norms. They share a common disrespect for humanity and a warped view of the relationship between man and animals. Those politicians who choose to do business with them should not be fooled - their agenda is not the welfare of animals but a hatred of people.

Simon Hart "

 

[Oldsarge]

Mr. Hart is exactly correct. Those whose primary goal is the "rights of animals" combine a cult belief in vegetarianism with the hope that the human species will become extinct and allow the perfect future to arise . . . without us!

 

[HUN73R]

Just for that, in protest. I will kill one extra fish every time I go spearing or fishing.

 

[naiad]

A bit off topic, but I was vegetarian for about three years. (Teenage fad.) This was years ago. Although I had a varied diet and took supplements, I don't think it did my health any good. I was anaemic, and have been until recently. It took years to go back to normal. Also, when I stopped being vegetarian I gained 13kg. Probably a good thing, because I was 174cm and 45kg.

It goes to show that despite what some people say, being vegetarian isn't good for everyone. Fortunately this was long before I started freediving.

Now I can't imagine living without beef stew and fish.

Lucia

 

[Oldsarge]

And roast chicken . . . and pork chops . . . and . . . and . . . GUMBO!

 

[BatRay]

Mmmm...meat products. I don't know why anyone would want to go without steak, or barbecued chicken, or Fancy Burritos...

 

[Mr. X]

A bit off topic, but I was vegetarian for about three years. (Teenage fad.) This was years ago. Although I had a varied diet and took supplements, I don't think it did my health any good. I was anaemic, and have been until recently. It took years to go back to normal. Also, when I stopped being vegetarian I gained 13kg. Probably a good thing, because I was 174cm and 45kg.

It goes to show that despite what some people say, being vegetarian isn't good for everyone. Fortunately this was long before I started freediving.

Now I can't imagine living without beef stew and fish.

Lucia

I agree - not for everyone. Years ago I ate vegetarian for 3 months (for health/fitness) -- was perfectly happy, healthy & very active but it proved a hassle (in the US at the time). Also, probably easier to pull off if you eat well than if you are a picky eater. Years before that, I knew group of climbers who all suddenly became vegetarians (they did a TM course), without any research into how to do it. One guy ate only peanut butter sandwiches for the first 6 weeks (he lost a lot of weight ... going from fairly athletic to pretty skinny & sick looking).

That said, I have a friend in the states whose entire family have been vegan (no meat, no eggs, no milk/cheese/dairy products, most of their food is organic) for more than 20 years -- including the 2 children they had during that time. To do that safely & successfully, you have to learn quite a lot. They are extremely fit.

The Dr. Dean Ornish research on reversing heart disease (US best selling books) involved a strict vegan diet (as well as exercise, relaxation, etc.). Personal opinion: if done well, a vegan diet probably is the healtiest diet for many people (perhaps big eaters and those prone to heart disease?) -- but not everybody. For most people it would be a difficult change.

Another idea I came across was "near vegetarian" -- suggested by US fitness buff Clarence Bass, where you just use a very small portion meat occasionally for flavour, texture & nutrients, & so you don't crave it (although Dr. Ornish reckons it was easier to get people to make dramatic changes & keep to them than subtle changes -- he used to basically tell participants that they'd die if they didn't adopt a vegan diet). I suppose I have had a "near vegetarian" diet several times. I know several "vegetarians" that now include a little fish & , occasionally, white meat as well as eggs & dairy products in their diet. I can't see dairy being any better for you than meat though (esp. fish).

There is probably a good reason why animals are made out of meat and taste good though .

 

[roy_nexus_6]

That would explain why the modern NAZIS and the Communists find so many common causes and are forming political alliances. The psychos are discovering that they are not that different from each other.

I wrote Peta and, after citing all the qualifications that make me a shoe-in for being 'one of them' told them they had now completely lost any possibility of ever having one iota of credibility. My daughter - who was a member of PETA when she was in grade school, came to that conclusion quite awhile ago. I told them they were now in the same league as a number of right wing organizations that I won't mention here Figured that'd tweak em if the anti-psychotics haven't kicked in yet.

People need a more quantitative model of negativity.

Free the rocks!

 

[Oldsarge]

I fail to see how, after 3.5 million years of evolution leading to an omnivore so successful that it blankets the earth, some wooly-head can suddenly undergo a revelation that eating like a sheep is the way of the future. A healthy vegetarian diet wasn't even possible until the Eastern and Western Hemispheres were connected by conquest and trade, especially a vegan diet. As Naiad said, silly teenage thing . . . that some people fail to outgrow. But, yes, most of us should eat more vegetables. Personally, I like 'em . . . next to the Phish Philadelphia!

 

[BatRay]

A couple of friends of mine from high school turned vegetarian, then vegan. That coincided with going to ultra-liberal universities, animal rights activitism, and a general departure from reality. Ah well.

 

[Adrian]

I was a meat and potatoes person until around 18 years old, then under the insidious influence of US education in a Florida college I became a vegetarian, (not vegan) and continued happily so until around 5 years ago, when on a vacation in Cuba the vegetarian food in the hotel was so bad that my body cried out for fish. Now I'm a fish and veggie guy. But for 30 years I had no health problems and funnily enough, I even gained weight, and I never looked back on eating meat, never missed it at all.

I did study the process though and made sure I was eating in a balanced way to get all my amino acids for protein building. Some people do mess up in a big way when they turn vegetarian though, thinking that drinking coke and eating potato chips is good enough. After a couple of years they usually collapse and revert back to eating meat. One should listen carefully to the body to make an intelligent transition over time making sure that a particular diet is good for one.

As in everything we can't generalize in favour of any particular diet, it boils down to what suits a particular physiology best, and perhaps there's one overriding factor to take into consideration: Are we enjoying what we eat? We don't only digest with the stomach, we digest with all the senses and the mind, heart, and intellect. How we eat may just be as important as what we eat!

That's part of the joy of eating what we fish.

 

[Mr. X]

A couple of friends of mine from high school turned vegetarian, then vegan. That coincided with going to ultra-liberal universities, animal rights activitism, and a general departure from reality. Ah well.

My vegan friend actually toyed with joining a religion (Ba'hai I think) that requires members to be vegetarian (or pos. vegan). He/they went to a meeting -- but I guess the absurdity of what he was doing (chosing his family's religion based on their diet) finally struck him.

I also met a couple of vegetarians who became concerned about animal welfare after becoming vegetarian. Which, again, seems backwards & overly convenient to me. Although I read an article on becoming vegetarian which suggested things like visiting a slaughterhouse as ways to reinforce your resolve (perhaps when craving a bacon sarnie) to become/stay vegetarian.

Another USA friend's pre-teen daughter became vegetarian because her teacher is a vegetarian and has, as you would expect, considerable influence over the child. My friend is quite upset at the teacher about this, although they are allowing their daughter to pursue it. Seems a bit dangerous to me at such a critical age, esp. as neither parent has experience of nor a great interest in a vegetarian diet.

Another friend became vegetarian as a student ostensibly to save money. Her diet was incredibly cheap and also very healthy. She was an "anti"/"sab" (anti-fox hunt activist) before I met her though.

[Words of wisdom from Sarge, as usual ]

 

[naiad]

One should listen carefully to the body to make an intelligent transition over time making sure that a particular diet is good for one.

As in everything we can't generalize in favour of any particular diet, it boils down to what suits a particular physiology best, and perhaps there's one overriding factor to take into consideration: Are we enjoying what we eat? We don't only digest with the stomach, we digest with all the senses and the mind, heart, and intellect. How we eat may just be as important as what we eat!

That's part of the joy of eating what we fish.

I agree. The main thing I was unhappy about was that in pro-vegetarian books and articles, it says that a vegetarian diet is healthier and altogether better for everyone. I never doubted this, and thought that it must be good for me. This clearly wasn't true. I had a varied diet, with plenty of protein-rich foods, iron supplements, etc. and despite this I still ended up in poor health. Impressionable teenagers read these things and get convinced.

When I stopped being vegetarian, I craved meat more than ever, most of all beef and fish.

I think some people can be healthy on a vegetarian diet, but not all. It also depends on things like age, sex, general health, amount of physical activity etc.

 

[Fondueset]

Like most things along these lines - it's a function of time, place and person. There are conditions wherein vegeterianism is massively beneficial - others where it is sheer violence. 'lunch righteousness' is certainly an abberation. I'm also not a big fan of anything ideology driven. Intelligence and sensitivity are required to properly manage a vegetarian diet - in my experience ideology is most often not compatible with these attributes.