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The Individual AIDA Word Championships in France - September

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SanSan said:
Martin got a Pull DQ.
what is a PULL DQ ? if I may make so bold as to ask...

I guess it is something like pulling the rope in an indecent way, isn't it ?
 
he pulled on the way up - you are not allowed to use the rope for propulsion in constant weight
 
and as for "pulling in an indecent way" - there were a few DQs for that at the after party!!!!!
 
Hey Paul or anyone else on site in Nice,

Let's hear more (anything?) about:

-Natalia Molchanova's meteoric rise to freediving eminence
-Carlos Coste's nerves of steel
-Herbert Nitsch almost comeback (what did he make in practice?)
-Timo Jattu (where has he been hiding?)
-the 6 men in the 80-90m range, how do they feel?
-the NR in women's: especially Ananda Escudero and Mattia Malara over 60m?
-the conditions, the crowds, the buzz, the rumors during, before and after the main event?
-the safety system?
-What happened with Mandy and Martin? Were they really prepared to defend their titles? (vs full time athletes)
-How the new protocol is working (ie. visible sambas)?
-How many were using equipment other than traditional masks?
-The decline of world record events vs. setting world records in competitions.

Anyone want to help piece together the excitement of this event. Surely, there was a lot more than just the dethroning of M&M to write about.

Pete (Deeperblue correspondent in exile)
 
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Hello everybody,
I do a lot of dives and not much internet these days so I came across this thread too late. For those who interested in Natalya Molchanova's training, here's the page in Russian:
http://yoga-metod.narod.ru/print/tehnik9.htm
I know she's been doing some researches, i'm planning to contact her soon and ask if she published something.

About russian freedivers: they all (well most) train in pools and then go to Dahab for depth. In Russia, there's a nice tendency for freedivers to do yoga, and the other way around a lots of yoggies go into freedive and show good results.
dan
 
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Hello everybody

I just wish to congratulate to all competitors for amazing results.
 
Hey Vedrana

If u are who i think u are wasn't u suposed to be compeeting in Nica? I think u did the qualification norm.
And btw. d u know what happend to Kike? He said he will be going for 90m in Nica... :hmm :hmm And where was the rest of the croatian team coz only Željko competed?
 
yes i wish i had been at competition but a had a problem with ears, so i cant dive this month....kike made 90 met in krapanj this days and i sory thet he didnt go to nice because he is very good diver
 
Could someone traduce the page in english ? Or tell how to do so ?
 
Here's that russian site translated (with Systran) for those interested:
(the training scheme is translated in another thread)


Methods are yogi and not only the http://yoga-metod.narod.ru/
Natalia of Molchanovo: “The procedure of training [fridajverov]”
The Natalia of Molchanovo - professional trainer on the high-speed I see underwater sport (Volgograd, Russia). Ascending star of Russian [fridajvinga]. Absolute champion of Russia of the diving into the length in the pond. On the championship Of [rosiii] during April 2003 in the diving into the length without the fin conquered with the result, which exceeds official world record, after leaving fairly behind all participants in the championship, including of men.

Attention: [fridajving] - this is the extreme form of trainings! It is categorically forbidden to be trained singly or without the care of a experienced partner. Other rules of [fridajvinga] - 20 rules of [fridajvinga]. The intensity of trainings and progress in each will be their - do not be equal to th numbers e given below!

General structure of the trainings
[Fridajving] extra-competing is completely interesting from the point of view of switching attention from the fuss to the surface of oecumenical events for the internal dissolution at rest of water. The slack floating harmonizes the relations between the reckless activity of the brain and the sat too long body, causing muscular happiness. Comfortable holding of breath softly shakes organism, activating metabolic processes. Basic difficulty consists in the mastery of the rational technology of floating, since [fridajving] assumes the maximum minimization of efforts. In the stage of familiarizing with this form of leisure it is better to turn to the instructor, who will instruct you. But the purpose of this article - to help already moved (where, they do not acknowledg) [fridajveram] in the preparation for the competitions in the dynamics -[apnoe] with the fins and without the afore-mentioned.

Each form of sport forms special morphofunctional accordion. The knowledge of laws governing training [fridajvera] proceeds from the knowledge of requirements for functions and special features of the work of neuromuscular apparatus during the floating with holding of breath. The power supply of organism occurs under the conditions of the rapidly increasing scarcity of oxygen, and the compensatory activation of anaerobic glycolysis (production of energy without the participation of oxygen) leads to the accumulation to the toxic level of lactic acid. Basic problem of [fridajvinga] - loss of the consciousness as a result of stalling the adaptive- compensating abilities of the brain by against the background inadequate to its reserve possibilities to load. This occurs as a result of the combination of the high level of the metabolic activity of the cells of brain, low reserves of oxygen and small reserve of high-energy phosphates. Whereas muscles contain the myoglobin, which joins oxygen in ' of times of more rapid than hemoglobin, and if necessary are used organic matter for restoring the adenosine triphosphoric acid, splitting by which occurs with the release of energy, so desired for all cells. Therefore the brain, not guilty in this discrimination and not containing “[nejroglobina]”, is disconnected from servicing of unreasonable body, which briskly [rvjotsja] into the underwater gave. Hence emerges the primary task of training [fridajvera] - increase in the stability to hypoxia (reduced oxygen content), first of all, of brain due to the reorganization all life-support systems by means of the mobilization of the number of earlier than inactive genes.

In practice this means that the preference of [otdajotsja] not to maximum distances with holding of breath during the training, which leads to the development of guardian braking in the central nervous system (CNS), but to series from the short sections, which gradually move aside the threshold of fall CNS into the brake state. Thus, if your limit -70 of meters, then more effectively to float series on 25 and 50 meters, and not to attempt to shock those surrounding by its unrestrained will and to dive to 75 meters.

The fulfillment of exercises leads to the expense of the energy resources of organism, which, in turn, leads to the making more active of reduction processes. With sufficient leisure they are characterized by the phase of super-restoration, which is accompanied by the super-compensation of the structural- energy resources of organism. If you swam today 8[kh]25 of meters by breast stroke under water with leisure of 40 seconds, tomorrow organism, possibly, still will not be set right from this impact, but here day after tomorrow it will hesitate in thought, but that if amusement is repeated and just in case will be prepared fully armed: will increase a quantity of energy sources, whose scarcity during the fulfillment of work is the biological stimulator of the genetic apparatus of cell; will change the permeability of the membranes of mitochondria and the effectiveness of their functions (certain structures in the cells, where it occurs mysterious energy release); the activity of the synthesizing and oxidizing ferments will increase; the synthesis of nuclein acids and proteins, which ensure the formation of all structural changes, activates.

Because of this high adaptive changeability of cells occurs the adaptation to the load. In this case the value and the directivity of reduction processes depends on the nature of work and depth of biochemical shifts. Thus, result is determined not by training load, but by reaction of organism for the load.

For a increase in the functional possibilities of organism training [fridajvera] must be directed toward raising the level of maximum oxygen intake, and also the ability to continue work under the stacking conditions of maximum oxygen debt. The quantity of oxygen, which the organism is capable to utilize, is determined:
- by ventilation system,
- by the level of the functioning of cardiovascular system,
- by the system of the blood, by the woven utilization of oxygen.
The indices of maximum oxygen debt depend on:
- the power of fermentative systems,
- the reserves of organic matter,
- capability for the compensation for shifts in the internal medium of organism and level of woven adaptation to the conditions for hypoxia and hypercapnia (increased carbon-dioxide content).

The methods of the training are selected on the basis of these requirements:

Remote floating - continuous floating with the [urezhjonnym] respiration. It is directed toward a improvement in the entering, the transport, the utilization of oxygen. Floating 400, 800 meters crawl stroke- inhalation for each shch;" raker, or by breast stroke - respiration through 1;2 cycles, or floating with [monolastoj] - inhalation through e;4 cycles. With the excessive zeal, caused first whether by patriotic feelings, then whether from the love for the sufferings, after long distance can appear headaches. In the opinion some researchers because of the contraction of the vessels of brain. Others are counted, as a result of their expansion (not researchers, but vessels). Therefore it is first better to crush distance: 4[kh]100[m] by crawl stroke, inhalation on is 5th 1 raker; then 2[kh]200[m], 400[m], 2[kh]400[m]. will not pass and 3- X of months, as 800[m] with this rhythm respiration will seem by real [bezdelitsej]. But we will not weaken and on by something rest. Us [zhdjot] a series of 6[kh]100[m]. with the inhalation for each " 1 raker, and is further, as usual, float- know. To count, of course, is tedious, difficult to be hooked on the outside thought (but its- that and completely not you [najdjosh]), then always ready answer to a question of friend - about than you you do think? - Jan I think, I count.

The exercises of variable nature rapidly activate the systems of respiration and blood circulation. After 1- GO of section is formed th oxygen debt e moderate in the value, which is liquidated during the free floating, aerobic processes (power supply with the use of oxygen) manage to be developed according to the power and 2-1 section pass against the background intensive aerobiosis (something opposite to anabiosis). 400[m]- (25[m] by breast stroke the diving + of 75[m] by crawl stroke freely), or 600[m] with the fins - (25[m] diving + 25 floating with the free respiration). This method is irreplaceable for the ponds, in which they love [nenavjazchivo] to worry about the hardening of population.

Interval training - [proplyvanie] of short sections with holding of breath and with the small interval of leisure. It is directed toward a increase in the functional possibilities of heart, and the products of anaerobic disintegration, which are formed with the work, serve as the powerful stimulator of respiratory processes. Therefore in first 10-30 seconds of leisure oxygen intake and productivity of heart are increased. If repeated loading at that moment when these indices are still high, then from the repetition to the repetition of [rastjot] oxygen intake. After reaching of limiting values (as a rule, after 4- GO of section) it is established on this level. 8[kh]25[m] diving by breast stroke or with the fins, leisure of 10 slow inhalation- expirations. Gradually it is possible (if carefully), to bring a series to 16[kh]25[m], then again to begin from 8 repetitions, but to decrease leisure to 9 inhalations (slow!) and again to bring to 16 times. And so on, and so forth. Is here important to attain stably comfortable state, so that the soul would not suffer, [vidja], as body it suffers.

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Repeated [proplyvanie] 50- of meter sections with holding of breath in severe conditions or with the diminishing interval of leisure, which is determined by the dynamics of the glycolysis (energy-formation it flows under the oxygen-free conditions, with the use of glycogen of muscles). It they judge by the content of lactic acid in the blood, and its maximum content is determined several minutes later after work, from one repetition to the next the time of maximum approaches moment of the end of distance. Consequently, the interval of leisure decreases, repeated section swims in the phase of [nedovosstanovlenija], against the background tiredness from previous. A increase in the stability with respect to the unfavorable shifts in the internal medium of organism occurs, woven adaptation to the hypoxic and hypercapnic states increases, psychological stability limits are enlarged. 2-3 series of 4[kh]50 m diving with the fins or the breast stroke, the interval of 2[min].; 1.30; 1[min]. leisure between series 15-20[minut] in the form free floating for eliminating of lactic acid and liquidation of oxygen debt. This is the sufficiently [naprjazhjonnaja] work, which under the force only to moved [fridajveram].

Limbering-up. , So that the organism would not experience during training of the bewilderment apropos of the overlapping of oxygen, great significance acquires limbering-up. It is directed toward the functional working in, the preliminary amplification of vegetative functions and is the physiological tuning of organism. Its effect is connected with the changes, proceeding in the central nervous system - mobility and excitability of nervous processes rises. The activity of cardiovascular system is activated, blood flow increases, capillaries are enlarged, the blood leaves from the depot, the as a result oxygen capacity of the blood becomes more. In the neuromuscular system the metabolic processes are strengthened, the temperature of muscles and their elasticity increases. Limbering-up includes exercises by crawl stroke, by breast stroke, with the fins and remote floating with the soft, comfortable reduction of the respiration: 300[m] by crawl stroke with the alternation on 50[m] of inhalations n 3. 1, is 5th 1, " 1, " 1, are 5th 1, 3- 1 raker; or by breast stroke with the inhalation through 1, 2, e, e, 2, 1 cycle; or with [monolastoj] with the inhalation through e, 4, shch, shch, 4, e of cycle.

Should be considered [fazovost] of the development of sport uniforms, which serves as the natural as the basis of the periodization of training process. Hence and the selection of training actions. Use in the beginning of a season of the repeated methods of training without the appropriate base preparation of [privedjot] for the disappointment in itself, and at the same time also in all, and also in everything, because of stalling of adaptive mechanisms.

For beginning [fridajverov] it is necessary to remember that in the initial stage of the adaptation of organism to the diving vital importance plays a increase in the pulmonary volumes the ventilator function; on is 2nd the ohm - most significant contribution from the side of cardiovascular system; on the final - factors, which ensure the high ability of the utilization of oxygen. But this means that if you decided be occupied to in earnest and for a long time by [fridajvingom], then your brilliant career must begin from the remote floating with the [urezhjonnym] respiration and variable floating with short holding of breath and free floating. For continuing the ascending (purpose different, [vozmjom] self-perfection) we add the interval method of training, whose versions to [nest] the number. And finally when you reached the bloom of your physical conditions, for continuing the flowering it is possible to include by small portions (so that it would not feel sick) the repeated method of training. And then fading will move aside, of course, not for the [neopredeljonnyj] period, but nevertheless.

In the course of preparation the selection of directivity and value of loads is determined by the not so much final goal, as by information about the dynamics of the current state. With the multiple repetition of exercises you will be able to thinly feel the reaction of organism to the proposed work and to ensure the precise correspondence of loads to the possibilities of organism. For this better to be trained frequently and gradually than it is rare, but from the soul. And then the transformation of quantitative accumulations in qualitative changes in the organs and functions occurs, the capacity factors, efficiency, reliability of the functioning of the systems of organism increase.

All foregoing is addressed only to adequate [fridajveram], which understand full weight of responsibility before [semjoj], by close and distant relatives.

Examples of the training:
Training the house: Yogi and [pranajama]
Work with the respiration along the road to the occupations: Holding of breath for 1 minute, then the restoration of respiration - 1 minute. Then again delay 1 min., etc.
Limbering-up on the border: Cycle of short to [pranajam] a. Of the [siderskogo]
Limbering-up:
Free floating - by crawl stroke and by breast stroke without holding of breath. It is necessary for the warming-up of body and start of the necessary groups of muscles.
Respiratory hill - floating [otdnim] from the styles with a gradual increase in the quantity it is paddle, carried out on holding of breath. After the achievement of maximum a quantity it is paddle again it is lowered to the usual level. For example, the breast stroke:
50[m] inhalation to each raker,
50[m] the inhalation through the raker,
50[m] the inhalation through two rakers,
then again 50[m] the inhalation through two rakers,
we then decrease the delay of 50[m] the inhalation through the raker,
50[m] inhalation to each raker.
It is designated: 50/50/50-50 \ 50 \ 50. It serves for the reduction of respiration.
Hypoxic series: Series, connected with the floating on holding of breath. After each hypoxic series it is necessary “to [otkupyvatsja]” by crawl stroke or by breast stroke (without the delay) for restoring the organism.
Floating with the rare inhalations - inhalation is accomplished for each 2-1, either 4- 1 or ' 1, or… raker.
Floating on the delay - [proplyvanie] of the specific distance on one holding of breath (on the inhalation or during the expiration). Strictly, this is [fridajving]. We float during the training: by crawl stroke over the surface; by breast stroke and by dolphin at the depth of 1 m (simple version) or on the bottom (complex version, since additionally are expended forces on: descent at the depth, insufflation take in, emersion. Plus appears probability to obtain ShallowWaterBlackout)
Hitch: Free floating by crawl stroke and by breast stroke without holding of breath. It is necessary for relieving of excessive stress in the tele- after hypoxic training.
 
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Man that's hard to make sense of...Machine translations have still some way to go.

From what I could scrape together, there's nothing really revolutionary, so no silver bullet again. She just seems very informed of the mechanisms involved and trains like a maniac.

Might have guessed that
 
if anyone is posting photos from Nice on the net - please tell us where they are!

Jorg has put up a lot of his on www.shark.nu

I only took 5 photos and they were all of the counterbalance..... very out of character!

Sam
 
samdive said:
if anyone is posting photos from Nice on the net - please tell us where they are!

Jorg has put up a lot of his on www.shark.nu

I only took 5 photos and they were all of the counterbalance..... very out of character!

Sam


hehe, interesting, you had world records coming up all around you and the thing that got your attention was the counterbalance!! rofl
 
well I am trying to build one here..... and I have a million photos of freedivers already and never took one of a counterbalance before!
 
OK, so whats next? If all goes well, I get Doctors clearance to get deep and hypoxic again soon, so back to training before the winter starts. Are there dates set for next years comps, Egypt I heard might be happening. Having missed a year, I want those diary dates before my staff get them.
Looking forward to staying wet.
 
Sam, could you post the pictures of that counterbalast system, some also might find it useful.

I'm quite interersted in the cellular mechanisms described in that translation but it was too much for me to undestand (beacuse of the translation, not the mechanism).
 
Haydn,
Great news that you are on the road back to freediving. The Freediving road is now a little longer but I know how competitive you are so I look forward to seeing you getting wet again.
Sam Kirby,
You need to get out more, 5 photos of the counter balance!
Matt
 
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