2015 LUNOCET PRO

[Chipswim]

You have many great supporters who I've enjoyed getting to know in here.

OK...... I'll cautiously like that one. Thanks for the explanation especially of the shipping order.

Sooooo... Dealers are returning like that quick ship web site. I do like that concept. Hope it all works out!

Your Gratitude expressed to early adopters funding development is important too. I think my first Luno was about $1,200.00. Now they are $500 or so.... And drastically improved.

That opens up a much bigger market which I know was your intention. You've busted this thing open! Just have to gracefully feed the expanding demand now....

 

[Chipswim]

Anybody seen one like this before?

It's the Lunocet with the hand held maneuverability package!

Actually, I use it as a Lunocet hand held maneuverability package and it works well in that application......
It is actually a handy hand held rescue shovel for avalanche!

 

[Mat-T]

Thank you Chip - your're the best supporter I have but I think it is fair that those folks who basically funded the development get some special treatment not red-haired stepchild treatment like they have been getting. The unfortunate scenario of delivering to dealers who had orders just as old as direct customers and having those dealers deliver to new customers before I could get my old customers taken care of is embarrassing at the least. I needed to deal with the screamers first to avoid damage to the company and I needed to get the dealers taken care of to grow the company. No, the refunds will come and so will the Lunocet Pros. The funds the dealers are sending on new orders will go in part to send out these refunds. From where some stand the decisions I've made put me in the asshole category but whenever I am forced into less than ideal decisions I always do so with the intention to make it right - after all we are all trying to make our lives better.

Hi Ted, I have ordered and payed 4 month ago and have not received any new information apart form an auto message on Dec-10th from you. Would be great if you could finally deliver the current model with the latest modifications to Bavaria.

 

[divebike]

... . ..... . Oh My !!!!¡

Very kind..,.. I get the contrition... BUT..... Decided not to add my name to the list of likes on that message.....(A small protest from me and some genuine concern.)

I don't think anyone wants to even accidentally kill the Lunocet development or damage Ted or the company.....

It scares me a bit to see him make a refund part of the resolutions. I hope his economics aren't too precarious and that there are VERY few left in that suffering category. The offer does reveal a desperate intent to get caught up.

I hope there are very few eligible or willing to accept $'s back. A call and a fin would do nicely for most I bet.

Getting the fins to the swimmers is really 99.9999++++% of the resolution being cried for!

Poseidon's last two messages express the situation of the desperately unfinned beautifully:
1. HEY! I'm drying up over here in Sweden!!!!!!!
2. HOPE returned! All I really want is my super cool new fin right now and back in the water with my friends. The $'s aren't the issue. I'd buy two Lunos if I could get them!!!!.... And extra shoes so my buddies can try them out. They'll probably want one also!

(Welcome back Poseidon!). ....... Hope I paraphrased that OK.....Missed you while you were gone!
BUT! I can't feel secure you are truly back till you've gotten your shipment and are back in the water!

Damn the refund!!!! (The price is more than fair) Full speed ahead on shipping!!!!!

I liked teds offer as much for his sake as for the sake of the buyers , as I hate to think how many sales he's missed out on, and he definitely needs to mend some fences.

 

[finSailor]

I liked Teds offer as much for his sake as for the sake of the buyers , as I hate to think how many sales he's missed out on, and he definitely needs to mend some fences.

Thats was my point also in one of my emails to Ted - last year has not been the way to build the business. I alone have had 5+ inquiries from fellow Finns where they could buy a Luno like mine - in a month or so! But I've been sadly forced to say that hold your horses, you should wait that this guy gets his delivery capabilities up to speed before you order.

I'm still planning to visit one of the biggest diving associations in Finland to show my Luno to them - and let 'em test it in their event. But I've been postponing that so that I could give 'em slightly better recommendation should they order or not (another reason being my broken ribs - I want to test my PB there....).

There is a huge potential out there, @Ted Ciamillo! Like @PoseidonSv said, we could be your best ambassadors and commission-free sales force, depending how you treat us!

I hate to be called 'a screamer', but that's a smallest issue here. I refuse to feel bad that I declared my legal rights regarding payments in dispute process. In today's eCommerce business, clients have their right to file a dispute with their bank if they like. This is also vital process to warn banks, acquirers, and international card schemes about untrustworthy merchants. Ted , just play according to the rules and your own promises, and this thing will be a great success - that's all we hope for!

For Tornio swimming I will have to use other monofin that is actually possible to buy and get for real as i can not swim on a promise. I appreciated the invitation alot @Chipswim is amazing idea!

Thanks guys for an invitation My family has a cottage 70km from Tornio, so this calls a Nordic Luno Summit!

 

[Marco_W]

@finSailor; true and right!,
I think nobody of us cant go for a swimm without anyone is asking yourselve about this amazing Sporting Gear!
And everybody (more or less) of us have industrie around for best Partners for Ted.
In my case a company, which is doing big buissness in pipes and modeling out of Plastik... well... big chances are almost everywhere in world, but to put it into the right interdigitate this is the trick...maybe is a bigger Company for Ted with fragmentet manufacturing plants better,and Georgia just as technical development.
Otherwise is Ted helped also much if he`s finding 10 People to employ...
I think it will sell it by itself our Lunocet 2015 Prohttps://forums.deeperblue.com/members/finsailor.44107/

 

[tak_seo]

- in fact, anyone who has an order over six months is going to be refunded and get a Lunocet Pro for free.

Hello Ted,

You mailed me " If you don't see the package by Friday I will do a trace." in Jan 6th.
Now it's Saturday night in Japan (morning in USA?).
It does not come. USPS status is still freezing. CV032127317US www.usps.com

I'm not interested in refund. I want to have 2015 Luno Pro.
And I need another peduncle. Because my 2014 Luno Classic's rubber spring was a little broken.
It is 6 year warranty, isn't it?
Please consider. Thank you.
Takeshi Seo

 

[Chipswim]

Good communications all!!!!

Just have to get past this pinch point.

On the bright side Today turned out to be a day I've been looking for a long time: I swam all the way around the perimeter of my local pool on a single breath for the very first time.

Three sides has previously been a distance that I only did occasionally. Strangely today I could do three sides repeatedly in comfort..... So I tried the fourth side and found that it felt safe to complete also. That's a yahoo in my little world!

Maybe coincidentally this was the second day using the avalanche shovel as a forward fin in conjunction with my 2014 Pro Lunocet with its stiffened peduncle in the rear.

I thought it would be good for crisper steering under way which it is. I swam around the corners today instead of using the wall and a push off for the 90° turns.

Additionally it turns out to be intuitive to use the forefin as part of swimming.... In a wave motion... Much as the Luno is doing in the rear. For me it made a single stroke and moderate coast an effective swimming motion for the first time. I felt ineffective without more continuous swimming motion in the past.

Anyway I'm hoping this break through continues and turns out to be useful to others also.

 

[Philip Fennell]

Additionally it turns out to be intuitive to use the forefin as part of swimming.... In a wave motion... Much as the Luno is doing in the rear. For me it made a single some and moderate coast a natural turn for the first time. I felt ineffective that way in the past.

Anyway I'm hoping this break through continues and turns out to be useful to others also.

Would you describe the avalanche shovel as a canard or bow plane:

that you are using as a control surface to help guide yourself whilst finning?
Could you provide a picture showing how you hold your shovel.

Although much smaller, and probably far less effective, I'd imagined being able to do something similar with the DarkFin gloves:

when held with fingers splayed, as in the above picture, and arms out front.

 

[Chipswim]

Thanks for asking Philip!

I've used and of course modified the dark fins... They are a strong pull in free style swimming but a drag out front with our Mono's. OK back by your waist after one big pull to get moving.

Canard is correct... Saw it hanging in the snow camping section of a sporting store last week and felt the canard inspiration. Then I had to either eliminate or confirm avalanche shovels as a fore fin tool for us. It's pretty close to perfect for our use! I'm enjoying the experiment especially with today's result. The canard will reappear in the morning!

Standard dark fins were a reject in our application for me.... But without fins doing the underwater breast stroke they can get you 25 yards in four or five strokes..... The gloves can pull! I find the rubber gloves to be a pain and I like the web on the palm of my hand instead of the back of the hand. That's the two mods I made to like mine much better!

I'll make the picture you request when I have a chance.... Intuitive though. Thumbs only through the hand slots provided.... Index fingers extended and pointed dead ahead. Additional fingers wrap the outside edge and maintain the designed cup of the shovel to grip the water and jet it out the back on the power side of the stroke. It doesn't feel to me like I get any propulsion from the fore fin on the return side of the stroke but it just resets automatically with the swimming wave body motion. Turning becomes more responsive by just pointing where you want to go. I'm still swimming inverted most of the time but rock up on a side like shark position for sharper turns.... Generally in the direction aided by arching my back.

In a nutshell my dark fins are parked and my fore fin avalanche shovel is making trips to the pool. Who knows what the future holds?

 

[Philip Fennell]

I've used and of course modified the dark fins... They are a strong pull in free style swimming but a drag out front with our Mono's. OK back by your waist after one big pull to get moving.

Ok, I get that. I guess the drag they generate is because they're flexible so the webs can 'flap' about, yes?

Thumbs only through the hand slots provided.... Index fingers extended and pointed dead ahead.

I can visualise that.

There's a training exercise we do where we use a swimmers kick-float, held out front and perpendicular to our direction of swimming, that we use as a form of resistance training. You have to push the float out front for a length of apnea. It's always extra difficult because you've got to deal with the buoyancy of the float as well. You could easily switch between fore-fin, canard and resistance training with the one tool - the SnowClaw... nice!

Oh, by-the-way, does it float?

 

[Chipswim]

Yes exactly! It feels a lot like one of those swim floats in your hands but it is thin and neutral buoyancy and feels like it's slicing through the underwater world with no apparent drag.

It floats just below the surface... Less than a foot.

You can imagine I kiss a lot of frogs chasing ideas but this one may be a princess!

 

[divebike]

Yes exactly! It feels a lot like one of those swim floats in your hands but it is thin and neutral buoyancy and feels like it's slicing through the underwater world with no apparent drag.

It floats just below the surface... Less than a foot.

You can imagine I kiss a lot of frogs chasing ideas but this one may be a princess!

I haven't looked myself but I expect body surfers have something like this.

 

[divebike]

Good call chip, I had a look myself I did find things similar to what you're using in the body surfing world, but I couldn't find anything better and they were pretty damn dear.

 

[CarlosO]

@Chipswim:
The system, as I understand it works as a leverage that gives you a lot more stability a the side opposite to where the force is being applied. I believe I have made similar use of some of the largest swimming paddles from Speedo.

I imagine that the balancing effect is not as strong or efficient, but that might depend also of the body mass. And as Phillip mentioned, the rigidity of the material, also in this case, is what avoids drag and gives the 3D-Steering capabilities.

 

[Chipswim]

Heading to the pool now to see if it works again. Surprised me to do so much better yesterday. Hope I didn't turn into a pumpkin at midnight!

 

[divebike]

@Chipswim:
The system, as I understand it works as a leverage that gives you a lot more stability a the side opposite to where the force is being applied. I believe I have made similar use of some of the largest swimming paddles from Speedo.
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I imagine that the balancing effect is not as strong or efficient, but that might depend also of the body mass. And as Phillip mentioned, the rigidity of the material, also in this case, is what avoids drag and gives the 3D-Steering capabilities.

I imagined there might be something in the market like 2 surfboard fins separated by a handle to control pitch, but on further thought of what's suitable for body surfing I realise most of there planes are trying to stay above the waterline rather then control the up and down of their motion.

 

[Chipswim]

Today was similar to yesterday. I could go further in comfort. I tried the weighted gloves with the canard..... Not necessary in the pool. Extra drag less progress per stroke and slower. The shovel by itself was better.

I used the canard the entire hour again... A compliment from me to it. Had tried it with my bifins last week and parked it after a couple of laps... Feeling it was not interesting. By itself it is not interesting to me by that I mean it did nothing for my swimming in those tests.

With the Lunocet however... VERY INTERESTING SO FAR! They are working well together. My Luno just got my attention in the shop so it's nice and tight and behaving beautifully. I don't even worry about it acting other than ideal right now so my attention is on getting some benefit from the canard out front. The two benefits are 1. An assist on the power side of the Luno stroke. 2. It's like a steering wheel in 3D out there. Nice for depth control too as long as you are moving.

Considering that my hands are no longer together and overlapping like usual there is no sense of drag... Quite the opposite at a low to moderate speed for longer distance it feels like it's cutting the water effortlessly.... And producing some extra thrust.

Full retail it was $20. I like the design. It is handy and it looks cool. Fits the Luno swimming package set up.

There may be a couple of other things going right at the same time. More on that later.

 

[Chipswim]

Previous two weekend swims were with few people in the pool so I could swim the perimeter. 90° turns underway were easy to master.

Today the swim team was in town so it's like swimming in a washing machine.... Discovered that I really don't have a 180° turn that works in half the width of a lane with the shovel out front.... Without movement the thing is just a clumsy device occupying my hands. Still fine underway though. Sort of stall get reorganized then swim the other way.

I think it may be a good training tool for me and some of the benefit is coming from including more full body movement that may usually be missing in my technique.

 

[Marco_W]

@chip, do you able to post an Video?