AIDA Results Register

[trux]

OK, I am releasing an unofficial preliminary version of the APNEA.cz Awards. It is not definitive, so the name can perhaps still change if I find some errors, or receive some missing results, so if you are on the list, please wait with the expectations of a fat check until I release it officially.

In fact I think currently there is indeed some problem, and the list is not correct - Herb is somehow less present than I would expect, and I am not sure if it is because he never did ballanced performances in all disciplines in the same year, or if there is some bug.

http://apnea.cz/ranking.html?award

If you are on the list, you can already PM me your mailing address, though, so that I can send you a printed certificate (and the fat checks, Suuntos, Carbon monofins, Land Rovers, and other great prizes that will certainly start to pour from sponsors and donors now). And if anyone here wants to donate something pretty as a prize, do not hesitate to contact me too!

 

[Mullins]

Can we choose the colour of the land rover?

 

[mortenkv]

Im sorry to be demanding - but Im just enthusiastic...

What I specifically dreamed of was list of the combined points from STA+CWt/CNF+DYN/DNF

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Jesper Stechmann 2009

CWT DYN STA
91m (91p) – Sougia Juli ’09 + 200m (100p) – Århus juni ’09 + 7:53 (94.4p) – Århus august ´09

= 285.4 point

Is it possible - or is it already there?
Morten

 

[trux]

I indeed found a bug depriving some freedivers of the combination points for given year if they did no statics in that year. But although Herb was among them, the fix did not really change a lot the positions on the awards list. Although Herb excells in several disciplines each year, he usually omits others, so in the total combination ranking he is not among the best in the last few years.

Well, there may be still other glitches, so I will continue looking for them, but I believe it begins looking better, so I am going to start mixing the colours for Mullin's Land Rover.

 

[trux]

Yes, Morten, that combination is there too - just select the mode "mix" in the disciplines select box. However, for the awards, I am using the "comb." mode - combination of all six competition disciplines.

Better told, I include also FIM into the "mix" report, so as I wrote already in one of my previous posts, it is calculated in this way:

max STA + max of (DYN | DNF) + max of (CWT | CNF | FIM)

 

[Lidija]

Great work Trux!!! Congrats!:wave

 

[trux]

Thanks, Lidija! BTW, I reorganized the disciplines, add some separators into the drop box, and renamed the "mix" combination report into "trimix" (I mean the one for time / length / depth combination) and the combination of all six competition disciplines is called "complete" - all the combinations are listed in a separate group at the bottom of the discipline select box.

The awards page is now more complete too. I added details of all six best performances of each of the winners. The results should be correct (at least I did not find any new problems), but I am still waiting whether I manage to get some of the missing results - it could still change the order.

Big thanks to Apneaboy, who helps me now emailing the organizers asking them for the missing results and searching on the web. However if anyone of you can find some some of them, or if you know some of the organizers or national AIDA board members personally, please try to ask them. The list of the missing competitions is at http://apnea.cz/ranking.html?missing

There are still 35 of them missing:
10 Greek / Cyprian comps - Stavros promised them, but since it is already a longer time, either he did not have time, or did not manage to get them. So if you have a copy or know about a link, please send.
5 US comps - They were requested too, long time ago, but not yet received
5 Egyptian comps from Dahab and Sharm - also requested weeks ago, but probably because there were floods in Dahab at that time, and little communication, I got nothing
3 Swiss comps - the organizer tells the memory stick with the results is dead. Perhaps some of you who participated, kept a copy?
2 Ukrainian comp - requested by myself on their forum long time ago, and by Apneaboy at AIDA UA, but so far no result
1 Czech competition - I tried to find it everywhere, nobody seems to have it. Not even AIDA Czech. Still waiting a response from the organizer. Jee told me he had a photo of the result list, but either forgot about it, or did not find it.
Then there are 2 missing ones from Israel and Portugal, and one from Austria, France, Japan, Norway, and Venezuela. Apneaboy found the Venezuelan comp on the web, but it comes as a screenshot. If there is anyone willing to OCR it, or retype it into an excel file, it would be helpful and I could add it too.

I also have another Hungarian comeption - the MAN II (not on the list since not on AIDA's Calendar), but it is an image too that needs some OCR-íng or re-typing, so I let it aside for the while.

 

[wjohnson100]

Regarding the ranking list. I for one appreciate all the work involved in it. One thing to be careful of. Freedive Central ranking is not the same as AIDA ranking. The competitions in there are not all sanctioned by AIDA and do not all meet the rules for ranking. I am not sure why the ranking at AIDA is so disfunctional, but in the end, the ranking has to be hosted and maintained by AIDA in order for it to mean anything. The ranking needs to be on the official AIDA site, however that gets accomplished. Even the old way of having it in and excel file was fine with me. At least it got updated. I like the look and feel of what you are doing, but if we make it too hard for AIDA to do then it won't work over the long term. By the way, what are we paying our competition fees to AIDA for? For most of 2009, the ranking list hasn't been touched.

 

[trux]

Well, I already stated that I am adding all competitons of any freediving federation, and practicaly any level to my database. However, it does not mean that I do not categorize all data accordingly. If you want to see only the results sanctioned by AIDA, you can simply enable the checkbox "AR" (AIDA Ranking) in the upper right corner.

And of course, this data (respectively the sanctioned part) will be fed back to AIDA's system, and will be accessible on their server too. However the system is now under reconstruction, so it may take little bit longer.

As for the money paid to AIDA, I can't tell you where it went, but can assure you that it would not cover even a small fraction of the time spent of the development. Fortunately AIDA does not need to pay for it. Already paying the server, and other material costs, and services take a significant part away. I think that the accounting of AIDA is still under review, and I suppose (and hope) that it will be published once done.

 

[trux]

I added combination ranks and percentages (similar to the discipline ranks and percentages) to the personal pages too. So if you want to see your ranks in diverse combinations (pool, depth, trimix, and complete), you have them all together there now. Both global (all-time), as well as for individual years.

 

[wjohnson100]

Thanks for all your hard work. I know from experience the difficulty and time consumed in software development.

Regards,

Walt

 

[laminar]

For the comps that are listed as "not in the database" what decides which ones got included? For example, I see a few results from Ibiza 2001 (Herbert's 86m) but many other results missing (including my own).

Fantastic developments!

 

[all names taken]

Nice to see this thread being vibrant and alive.

Clarification. The impressive database Apnea.cz is the private initiative and work of Ivo Truxa. Aida IT workgroup is still investigating a temporary solution based on Ivos work, Simos work and The Freedivercentral.

Eric RvP is diving deep into the code of FC now.

Sebastian
Aida Public Relations

 

[apneaboy]

Nice to see this thread being vibrant and alive.

Clarification. The impressive database Apnea.cz is the private initiative and work of Ivo Truxa. Aida IT workgroup is still investigating a temporary solution based on Ivos work, Simos work and The Freedivercentral.

Eric RvP is diving deep into the code of FC now.

Sebastian
Aida Public Relations

aah I see.

When will there be a decision be made by the AIDA IT group as to which one is the official AIDA one?

Trux can the data you are collecting be easily distributed to the official site if it turns out it is not yours?

Who is officially collecting the data for missing competitions at the moment?

Thanks

 

[all names taken]

When will there be a decision be made by the AIDA IT group as to which one is the official AIDA one?

--> Do not dare to say.

Trux can the data you are collecting be easily distributed to the official site if it turns out it is not yours?

--> Yes That was the whole point.

Who is officially collecting the data for missing competitions at the moment?

--> Mostly Ivo has tracked down the missing data.

Sebastian
Aida Public Relations

 

[trux]

For the comps that are listed as "not in the database" what decides which ones got included? For example, I see a few results from Ibiza 2001 (Herbert's 86m) but many other results missing (including my own)!

Pete, in the database there are all competitions that were either on the official ranking Excel sheets (up to 2007), in the AIDA Result Register (2008 - 2009), at Freedive Central and some other external sources (such as the CMAS, FIPSAS, FFESSM, etc.), and also from the AIDA Calendar. Practically all missing competitions come from the calendar, where they were announced, but AIDA never received the results. Some organizers claim they have sent them, but apparently the files got lost (most likely filtered and deleted by Gmail as spam).

As for missing performances from individual competitions - that can certainly happen too, and indeed in the original AIDA Result Register there were hundreds of performances missing. I managed to complete most of them from alternative sources, but it is quite well possible there are still some. I'll be very glad if you report such cases. And if you point me to a place showing the missing results, I will add them, of course, too.

When will there be a decision be made by the AIDA IT group as to which one is the official AIDA one?

Although there are some political pressures as for the use of Freedive Central goes, there is no opposition to use my work. I do not quite understand why, but it is so. Besides it, nobody else is willing to collect and enter the data, and even the paid job that was created for that purpose last year did not trigger any significant progress, so in fact there is currently no other alternative than using the data available at APNEA.cz. How exactly it will be done (whether by installing or porting my software on AIDA's server, or embedding a data feed, or importing the data), is more depending on the technical decision of the IT team, and at this moment the easieast and quickest will be importing data from APNEA.cz to Simo's AIDA Result Register.

Trux can the data you are collecting be easily distributed to the official site if it turns out it is not yours?

Yes, we have the API for data transmission finished on both sides, and can exchange data easily. And it will be probably done pretty soon.

Who is officially collecting the data for missing competitions at the moment?

Well, I was not officially charged with the task, but since I started doing it anyway, I was also given access to the official AIDA Ranking mailbox. So since you are now helping me getting these results, I guess that you want to know how to answer eventual questions of organizers. You can actually ask them to send the results to the official AIDA ranking email address, if they hesitate sending it to you directly. In fact, to avoid the data loss that AIDA experienced in past years, it is preferable sending the results always to

aidaranking (at gmail dot com), with a CC to myself (ivo at apnea dot cz), and resending it if they do not receive any reception confirmation (I always confirm the data reception from AIDA's gmail account)​

 

[apneaboy]

Cheers Trux, I was just worried I was giving misinformation when I said that the information was being collected for AIDA when it wasn't, but I would have carried on collecting it anyway.

I will send any info I get to both e-mails.

Thanks.

 

[trux]

Yes, there no problem in this part - when I started with the data collection, it was to help AIDA. But since I am also affiliated with the FFESSM (CMAS), I wanted to create a more universal register, hence I've built one on my side instead of using the one at AIDA. However, most of the data is property of AIDA, and is indeed being collected for AIDA. In the same way, if you speak to organizers, you can tell them that for the unofficial ranking at APNEA.cz, they can send also results from competitions that were not sanctioned by AIDA as ranking.

And thank you again for the help!!

 

[trux]

I added another function. It is a small detail, but it was rather complicate to program, so I hope people will find it useful. The personal competitor's profile pages now show the best rank in the career. The program scans all years, all disciplines, and all discipline combinations, and looks up in which year the freediver ranked the best (in the global world ranking).

In this way you can quickly find which year was the most successful for the given competitor, in what discipline, and in what discipline combination.

If the person achieved the same rank in several disciplines, only the last one is shown. There is the following priority: STA,DYN,DNF,FIM,CWT,CNF - the last of the same value will be displayed. I attempted to sort the disciplines so that the more difficult/valuable ones are at the end, though I admit it is quite subjective.

Also discipline combinations are sorted in the same way. Easier first, more difficult/valuable/complete last:
1. pool (STA+DYN+DNF),
2. depth (CWT+CNF+FIM),
3. trimix (STA+DYN|DNF+CWT|CNF|FIM),
4. sixpack (STA+DYN+DNF+CWT+CNF+FIM)

If the freediver achieved the same rank in several years, then the youngest result is shown. And if the overall (all time) rank is better or equal than the rank of the best year, the all-time rank is then displayed.

So the best career rank you can get is 1. CNF (all time) + 1. 6pack (all time). Only Natalia has it. Herb has "just" 1. CWT (all time) / 1. 6pack (all time)

I am afraid I'll soon need to write a documentation for the ranking

 

[trux]

I am frequently receiving PM's and emails from people telling me their National Records are not marked in the results. Indeed, in the ranking there are only the NR's that were already in the official AIDA record database, or at Apnea Mania, or that were noted on the result sheets from the organizers/judges. Although I trust all of you, I cannot assign records just on the demand of the freediver. First, I could not handle verifying and entering all those thousands of records manually, and second I need the information coming from an official source.

So if you want to see your NR correctly recorded, please ask your national AIDA to send a complete list of all historical records to the AIDA's ranking email address (and you can CC ivo at apnea cz too). Please use this sample Excel sheet, to make my work simpler - if it comes in a different formatting, it demands more manual work, and there is a higher risk of mistakes and delays. Please delete the sample data (except of the header) before entering yours.