newport beach, ca area

[Supa711]

I dont see any issue in shooting sharks nor ray's. But judging from those posted pictures that meat looks kinda nasty. From what friends and the DFG says, leapord's taste alot like salmon. Just bleed and gut them asap and you wont get a mouthful of ammonia tasting rubbery fish. This is probably opening the proverbial can of worms. woops. =D

 

[xahx]

LOL here the debate starts

 

[matesz H2O]

guys first of all i dont respect the harasment for the catch. they are legal to catch and it was legal size and if i use all the meat on it then why is it so bad. i would understand if you where pissed at me for catching it just for shits. but i carved up as much meat as i could get off of it. second of all i didnt stab it up for shits and giggles. i shot it strieght in the head and it was still struggling so i dove down to try and put it out of its missery. i put my knife into its head 2 times and it was still moving so i tried cutting its gills cuz that kills it instantly. but it was still moving. even after i brought it back home and carved it up the wings where flapping while off the body so its nerves where ticking and its my bad i just throught it was still alive. second of all you shouldnt be talking if you have never eaten ray. im just really dissapointed in all of you that would put down someone that respects the ocean and doesnt pointlessly kill fish. like i said above i would be right along with you if i wasnt going to eat the meat. but i plan on having dinner with friends later on tonight. there is an abundance of bat rays from oregon to the california baja. so dont start saying that they are endangered cuz they are not. i havent eaten leopard cuz i think that they are to beautiful to kill. i have eaten shark once befor and i know that it is really good meat. so i expect rays to be aswell. if you guys dont want to dive with me thats fine. but i wasnt going to pass up a deliciouse meal like that when i see it. now lets not get a debat on if it is ok to kill rays i was just giving my defence. lets keep talking about dive trips and such cuz thats what this thread is about right?

 

[Supa711]

No harassment from me, just thought the meat looked funky is all. Lord know's I've been tempted to apply tempered steel to them a few times myself. I'd be interested in how you prepared it and what your thoughts are on weather you would take one again. Also if you can make a note of where the "best" meat came from off of it.

Is everyone fairly expirienced on here or just starting out? Hope no one takes offense to the question but it's nice to know fellow diver's water expirience. I've been freediving and H&L kayak fishing the area for about 5 years now.

 

[kanakafari]

I have spent plenty time in Mexico guy. Down by the Sea of Cortez you can find mantaraya at every taco stand there. So don;t try to knock those that you think neva' tried it. This supposed to be about diving but when your fellow threaders hear about senseless killing, that is simply upsetting. I heard nothing about endangerement, did you? Just because there are pletny of them that make it ok right? There are plenty of dipshits in the world so we should just kill them too right? No worries. It's about respect and in time you will learn and understand why this is such a touchy subject....nuff said.

a hui hou

 

[matesz H2O]

I have spent plenty time in Mexico guy. Down by the Sea of Cortez you can find mantaraya at every taco stand there. So don;t try to knock those that you think neva' tried it. This supposed to be about diving but when your fellow threaders hear about senseless killing, that is simply upsetting. I heard nothing about endangerement, did you? Just because there are pletny of them that make it ok right? There are plenty of dipshits in the world so we should just kill them too right? No worries. It's about respect and in time you will learn and understand why this is such a touchy subject....nuff said.

a hui hou

im gonna keep this debat on hunting eithics out of the thread so ill just pm you.

 

[xahx]

i am new to free diving and spearing, still and probably always will be learning!

 

[matesz H2O]

i have been using a pole spear for over 5 years. since freshamn year in highschool. and just moved onto a spear gun these past 3 months. but have only been out with the gun 3 times.

 

[kanakafari]

that is pretty evident.....

 

[matesz H2O]

like i said earlier if you have beef with me atleast take it out of the thread to save the others from hearing your hipocritical ignorance. thank you

 

[kanakafari]

seeya on the sand then...there will be a price to pay for your objection to what you consider my ignorance.

oh yeah, stop talking mess about beef.....you eat ray rememba'

all pau...a hui hou

 

[xahx]

can we end the chat about the ray? its not relevant anymore, this is starting to become ridiculous.... everyone has their different opinions. so just be kind to one another... jesus

 

[aesthetic]

"Lifeguards have the authority to ask you to move if you are spearfishing in an area where there are a lot of swimmers. Spearfishing can be considered a hazardous activity.

Crystal Cove State Park (949-494-3539) asks that spear fishermen adhere to all Fish and Game laws - which they strictly enforce. They also ask that you take time to familiarize yourself with the size, take and season limitations for any specific species you are pursuing. Please also exercise the good conservation ethic that all of us spear fisherman adhere to. Take only what you need. If size is in question, before pulling the trigger, it's better to let it swim away.
The following fish may be caught in the Laguna Beach Marine Protected Area: rockfish, greenling, lingcod, cabezon, yellowtail, mackerel, bluefin tuna, kelp bass, spotted sand bass, barred sand bass, sargo, croaker, queenfish, corbina, white seabass, opaleye, halfmoon, surfperch, blacksmith, barracuda, sheephead, bonito, halibut, sole, turbot and sanddab. All other marine life species are prohibited and nothing can be taken from the intertidal area."

Marine Life Protection Act Initiative
About 3/4trs down the page.

wow.. im gonna have to try that out then. the only thing i noticed is that unless you find parking east of PCH and walk down, i think its like $8 or $10 to get into the park itself. not 100% sure, but i think thats the case. guess it would be worth it though to get a nice sized halibut finally.

 

[aesthetic]

whazzup aesthetics? what happened to you this weekend? Best rule of thumb is to let me or beam know by Friday if you are gonna make it or not. I don't dive with people that take honor in taking bat rays however. There is no honor in such plumfoolery. In fact, it is idiotic to shoot something to just shoot it. They are not meant for eating, they are harmless and contribute to the complexity of the ocean so simply put....why? You tell your buddy MateszH20 that him and his little girlfriend that likes to shoot bats is banned from our group. I have lost a good amount of respect for MateszH20 for even applauding, not to mention, mentioning such a feat. If we hook up Mates....leave the numbnutz at home. They are not only irresponsible, but dangerous to themselves and those diving around them. Aesthetic.....PM me and I'll give you our contact info. Please tell me you weren't part of the bat ray incident i've been hearing about. I would be greatly dissapointed in you as well.

You missed a good trip to PV with me and beam. Caught a crapload of fish, but the only drawback is that my feet are embedded with dozens of urchin spines and my ankles have been swelling over the past few days.

well i didnt realize you guys still went.. but its all good, we had some fun down here in OC (as you can see). i didnt take part in anything with the ray, we were all in the general area diving and spearing though.. everyone was kinda going their own route and finding their own spots.

if its such an issue, i can dive with matt separately from diving with you guys.. i just dont really see the issue though seeing as how he enjoys the meat and cooks it up.. and if they werent meant to be taken, they wouldnt have fish and game size regulations. i understand that maybe the guys that have been doing it for a long time frown upon certain species being taken, especially maybe those that dont pose a challenge, but like beamjoel said, to each his own.

anyway.. this weekend looks like it should be real nice out. if anyone wants to go out locally, or upwards towards PV.. i should be able to make it out provided the GF doesnt fuss with me about it lol.

kanak and joel, any pictures from your trip that you can post?

 

[beamjoel]

Aesthetic,

No Pics except for camera phone that kanak used, I am in the market for a new Dig camera seeing as how my daughter borrowed it for a couple hours and forget it outside somewhere, nice find for someone!

I have been diving and admiring the ocean for a long time now, I guess I used that time to develop a "personal" set of ethics before I started hunting.

I still think we can develop a good group of diving partners out of this forum.

anyone "newer" to the sport if you enjoy reading try:

Authors; Terry Mass and Carlos Reyes

lots of knowledge shared in their books and killer stories of what our waters use to be like. I have mostly all their books and if we meet up I am more than happy to share.

good luck everyone,

Joel

 

[kanakafari]

sup shmole...just got in to work but whatevas. The viz reports for bay yesterday said 10-15 @ 68 degrees, and Malibu reported 15-20 @ 64 degrees. If things stay as they are, Saturday should be kickin'. Where we goin' early? I still wanna hit up leo SOON!!! I'll check back in later

 

[beamjoel]

the reports sound great but what is the forcast for any swell comin our way? hopefully it will stay clear. LEO sounds good too but I dont have a full day to commit yet not till after July 7th (Baby Shower). But early Sat like 6am for sure! Details? North or South and who else is interested?

What did the Dr. say about your Urchin Encounter???

Good Luck,

Joel

 

[kanakafari]

couldn't get a hold of the doctor and can't take any time off cuz of the trade show and skeleton crew here, but it is getting better. I am just gonna ride it out. You can still see several big ones under the skin though. It is a lot better than it was and swelling looks pretty minimal. I'm game for Saturday.....I was thinking of our local spot since it has been a while since either of us have been there or perhaps the spot further south that we had to abort due to murky-ness. I am really curious what the halibut activity is looking like at the local spot....especially since it has been flat for so long. My best catches have been when it's totally calm, but at the same time the monster stingrays like to congregate when it's real calm. Wherever is fine with me....I am just real curious what the good ol' spot that I shall remain nameless due to high kook activity as of lately has to offer. Let me know.

 

[matesz H2O]

ok so i cooked up the ray last night after work. i let it sit in teriyaki marinade since about 10:00pm monday night till about 6:00pm tues. i took it out planning on bar b queing it. took about 3 sheets of aluminum foil and put butter all over the foil and set the slices of ray on the foil. it took really long to cook. i was out there for about 45mins befor it was done well. the skin would stick to the foil i think because of the teriyaki sauce. i didnt have the patience to stay out there for another 45 mins and bar b que the rest, so i went inside and brought out the frying pan. put some butter in the pan and threw the rest of the ray on the pan. i poured some of the merinade into the pan with the ray and simmered till the meat looked well done. the pan baked ray was alot better than the bar b qued one just because it had more tariyaki flavor. but both where really good. everyone of my friends that came over to eat said it didnt taste "fishy" at all. the texture of the meat was like eating the dark meat off a chicken. the meat was like in strings but it was very tender and tasted exactly like shark. when i was done with the pan i made some alfredo spagetti and threw in some of the cooked ray.

i had alot of meat left over. o another thing when i carved up and marinated the meat i forgot to cut the meat away from the cardilage fin that was between both layers. i was scared it would taste like amonia like all of you guys said. but i didnt get any hint of amonia at all. but after i cooked the ray i stripped the skin off the meat idk if you can eat the skin but it was really elastic and sticky. in any case i started to stip the meat off the cartilage and it just fell off with no effort at all. i had so much meat left that i stored it in a tuppawear container and made breakfast and lunch today with it. and still have more left. for breakfast i made some eggs sunnyside up and put some of the meat on the side and some oj. for lunch today i made a sandwich with honey mustard the ray meat and some jalapenio jack cheese. ill stick that into the toaster long enough for the cheese to melt and it should be godly.

id have to say the best part of the ray was its belly. it was a thin layer of meat about 1/2 in thick. after cooking it when you pealed the skin off and put meat in your mouth it was so tender and soft that it just melted. by far it was the most tender meat i have ever eaten. all in all the food was well worth the harasment i have been receiving from the hawaiian guy.


on another note i heard that sea urchin roe was really good. have any of you actually eaten that? alot of cultures eat it including japanesse, korean, chilean. also eaten in spain greece and italy. its supposedly a japanesse delicatesant. just wondering what all of you think.

 

[Supa711]

Thanks for the ray review, looks like some decent eats and glad to hear you got all you could out of it. Still hesitant but maybe if i get bored one day Ill take one. Uni or Urchin roe is off the chain!!! I love the stuff. Gotta find the bright red urchins with the golden yellow swollen eggs. Yank that out and some crackers and a Newcastle and you've got a great dive snack. There are some general guidelines for choosing the best one's and the best area's to take them, but once you get your area and method down you will be in for a real treat. A company called California Offshore Products has a wide selection from our local waters that includes local Uni. If you dont have the time or know-how to harvest it yourself you can buy from them and get some of the best the world has to offer.