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2015 LUNOCET PRO

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These are all valid grievances, Malte and Philip. I went through many of the same things. And just to be clear, Malte, I wasn't defending Ted's record of not shipping fins in my last post, though it's true that I'm trying to put my past grievances behind me. You have every right to feel cheated. I thought you wanted to know where your fin was, so I described what worked for me with regards to tracking. The fact remains that I had to wait over a year for it to get sent to me, that I had also received false promises and that this is simply not an acceptable way to do business. It seems to me that Ted is trying to right his wrongs, but a wrong was definitely done.

I also supported the idea that Ted should make it up to those of us who have waited an excessively long time by paying for expedited shipping (via UPS, FedEx, DHL or some other carrier), which he did not do. I would have appreciated the courtesy of not making me wait another two weeks after the wrong of making me wait for a year. And all of this comes before finding out if the wait will have been worth it.

Having said this, I have another update on my situation: something good and something bad. I got another notification this morning that my Lunocet was at the post office, and, while I was writing this message, the postman brought it to my door. I was thrilled to finally get it after a year of waiting, but I got slapped with an unpleasant surprise by Canada customs. I guess that it shouldn't have come as a surprise, I mean, these are our laws after all.

The fin came extremely late, which made the extra payout sting a bit more, but in the end Ted finally delivered on his promise. In any case, you definitely cannot blame him for whatever taxes the government of the country you live in adds to imported goods.

So be advised, any Canadians thinking about buying a Luno Pro 2015. You might be looking at paying over a hundred dollars extra to the taxman (GST, PST and excise tax, whatever combination of these applies to your province), on top of whatever lousy exchange rate you get.

First impressions out of the box? It's an impressive and precise looking piece of machinery. Very easy to put together and it feels really solid. I can't wait until Tuesday, when I get to try it out in the water!
 
So be advised, any Canadians thinking about buying a Luno Pro 2015. You might be looking at paying over a hundred dollars extra to the taxman (GST, PST and excise tax, whatever combination of these applies to your province), on top of whatever lousy exchange rate you get.

Yeah, that's a bitch. In the UK you can expect something in the order of £70 by way of customs charges which is what I had to pay for a similarly priced fin.
 
...In any case, you definitely cannot blame him for whatever taxes the government of the country you live in adds to imported goods.

So be advised, any Canadians thinking about buying a Luno Pro 2015. You might be looking at paying over a hundred dollars extra to the taxman (GST, PST and excise tax, whatever combination of these applies to your province), on top of whatever lousy exchange rate you get....

So much for NAFTA!?!?!? I thought there's not supposed to be any excise tax on imports from the US to Canada.

As for GST and PST, that should be like the frog in hot water (finally, I understand the dumb frog pictures). You are supposed to be acclimated to the heat so that you don't feel it so sharply.

Thailand is the worst I've come across. They pay about 30% tax on imported dive gear.
 
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Freedom of goods travelling the borders would hurt the economy... of the big companies.
Their latest concept; too big to fail is another beauty. And the poor people enforce such nonsense upon each other, another beautiful example how we follow orders and believe experts. Yes I'm a cynic, it happens when you have a brain and some courage to recognise the difference between what is promised and delivered.
 
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So much for NAFTA!?!?!? I thought there's not supposed to be any excise tax on imports from the US to Canada.

You're right about NAFTA, Revan. My bad. Looking at the Canadian customs form that came with the Luno Pro, I realize that I wrote about those taxes a bit hastily. There are columns for duty and excise tax on the form, but the sum in both of them is $0.00. What I paid out was the sum of GST, PST and handling costs.

And you're also right that ignorance of taxes imposed on imported goods is no excuse. Sure it sucks to shell out another hundred bucks, but I'm quite grateful for the fact that I'm in a position where I can afford to purchase something like a Lunocet for myself, and that fact has something to do with living in Canada.
 
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I've stayed out of the forum for a while to work on some of my other projects. I have been able to speak to Ted more than most people, and have tried to contribute that to the forum when possible so that there is some second-hand info to hopefully fill in the gaps in first hand info while Ted talked to his CNC machines....Nice to see some progress has been made; I know Ted has been through a lot bringing Lunocet to this point. I also can only imagine what some of you have been through also, waiting this long for a product. If you like it half as much as I do, it will be worth the wait!
 
Hi Kervyn,


The one issue that WAS seen (leading to excessive play) was a manufacturing tolerance issue that has since been addressed.


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Sorry looks like I've missed something after months of not looking at this thread: how was this addressed? This leads onto the second question, how can I get mine addressed? I believe I was the first person to bring this issue up.

Separate question since quite a few people have already gotten their fins, regarding the fin-to-shoe interface, is everyone able to bolt all 3 (or 6) screws on fairly easily? The first time I put mine on (almost 1 year ago), it was ridiculously difficult and took me almost 40mins. After dismantling it, I now use 2 screws (per shoe) because it's not worth the effort. I've always suspected a mis-measurement issue during the manufacturing process but given the responses I was given during at the time regarding other issues, I never brought it up.
 
Lil Jon there are differences in shoe tolerances or bolt pattern. My Lunocets, for example, fit my Specialized road shoes perfectly. You might try the alignment on different shoes in a cycling shop; just hold it up to some others and see if some are closer.
 
Lil Jon there are differences in shoe tolerances or bolt pattern. My Lunocets, for example, fit my Specialized road shoes perfectly. You might try the alignment on different shoes in a cycling shop; just hold it up to some others and see if some are closer.
I've waited for months for specialized shoes to come in, only to find out that the bolt patters don't match (could only get 2 out of the 3 bolts in)...!!! Had to resort to cheapo shimanos, where the mounting holes can be shifted to match the bolt patterns on the lunocet...

I have had a few swims with the Lunocet now, but can't seem to get the hang of it... It doesn't seem to be laterally stable... leading to uneven kicks... My set has some side play, so I'm not sure if that's what's causing it... Also, it seems to be less efficient than my Previous Fibreglass monofin... i.e more kicks and more perceived effort to get moving (and I was using an extra stiff mono - Leaderfin Hyper pro)...

I'll have a few more swims. to allow it to break in properly... and then report again...
 
Hi Kervyn,

I spoke to Ted about this issue and he advises that the issue was investigated and the parts were structurally robust. There have been zero failures in over 80 units of the 2015 Lunocets in use.

The one issue that WAS seen (leading to excessive play) was a manufacturing tolerance issue that has since been addressed.

Of note is that Delrin has superior properties to aluminum from a friction reduction perspective (self lubricating) and allows the spring to work more effectively in articulation. It also weighs less and doesn't mar the anodized finish like alum-on-alum does.

Looks like it's Delrin from here, on. No need for an Alum vertebrae replacement.


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Does that mean my unit suffers from excessive play due to manufacturing tolerance issue?
 
@Marco_W had a pretty strong comment that has also been removed. It's like there has been a cleaning of the forum. Strange happenings this April 1st...
 
... It doesn't seem to be laterally stable... leading to uneven kicks... My set has some side play, so I'm not sure if that's what's causing it... Also, it seems to be less efficient than my Previous Fibreglass monofin... i.e more kicks and more perceived effort to get moving (and I was using an extra stiff mono - Leaderfin Hyper pro)...

Are you diving depth or dynamic in this instance?
 
Does that mean my unit suffers from excessive play due to manufacturing tolerance issue?
Kervyn,

If your Lunocet "vertebrae" are of different thicknesses (left vs. right), send me a picture with them measured and your mailing info and I'll track these issues for Ted for replacement.

A slight lateral deflection of the fin / flukes when under uneven load doesn't necessarily mean that there are manufacturing tolerance issues.

The best way to determine is to measure the thickness of the top-edge of both parts of both vertebrae, ideally in mm.


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Great news! My Lunocet Pro arrived yesterday (1st April - not a joke either)

I ordered it on the 17-March-2014. Got a tracking number from Ted on Friday 13th March 2015.
For anyone who orders from the U.K. and manages to get a unit shipped. The tracking didn't go live till Monday 16th.
20th it arrived in London. Took 3 days to get to customs. They held onto it for 7 days. Then the post office sent a letter informing me that V.A.T. & handling charges had been added. Cost me £54.50.

It's still a bit cold for outdoor swimming in the U.K. (7 Degrees C) & it's the Easter school holidays so my local pool will be packed with
school kids. I'll approach them after the holidays & see if they have a quiet lane swim where they'll allow me to try out my Lunocet.
If not it'll have to wait till June when I'm off to the Mediterranean for a few weeks. Would like to 'break' it in before I go if possible though. So maybe a wetsuit swim in the North Sea in May. Can't wait to get swimming with it :)

 
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