Static with no warm-up

[derelictp]

Donmoore;

For me there is a very clear fact, the more hypocapnic I am the higher the pulse gets. In the water I dont hear my breathing like I do at home so I often tend to ventilate harder in the pool causing my alkalinity / pulse get higher.

Maybe it's the same in your case?

Try different ventilations and watch your pulse.

 

[naiad]

Re: Compensated respiratory alkalosis

The no warm up training may have put you into compensated respiratory alkalosis. Basically it means that you have an increased amount of bicarbonate buffers, which would make you more alkaline, but because during your everyday life you only breathe when you feel like it, then the breathing is delayed, accumulating CO2 and balancing your acidity to normal levels. At that moment your acidity (blood pH) is 'normal', except you are not 'normal' because you have more CO2 and more bicarbonate which 'cancel out.' The difference happens when you hyperventilate, now you get rid of the extra CO2, and all that is left is the extra bicarbonate, making you now super alkaline.

This might explain why I often find myself holding my breath when I am relaxed. It could be a way of allowing CO2 to build up to restore the balance. I also often hold my breath in my sleep.

Lucia

 

[ADR]

New PB in Dynamic for me (113m) using no-warmup/no-breatheup. Contractions started at 40m and I stopped when my legs couldn't go further due to the lactic burn. Very clear headed all the way

Andy

 

[Ricky Eiken]

To ADR

Congratulation on your PB in dynamic keep those high numbers coming

 

[naiad]

Wow! 113m! Congratulations Andy!

Many freedivers who do good dynamics say that their contractions start very early - maybe this is necessary.

Lucia

 

[BlueIcarus]

ADR and naiad.. this is a good point... your contractions started at 40m and you got to 113m??
Freaking amazing! My contractions start also between the 35m-45 mark and my max should be around 75m (hehe shy maximum ) so.. maybe I should spend more time past the contractions...
What do you all think about this? When do you get contractions (% of distance) on your dynamic maximums?

 

[BennyB]

Hi all,

I have been struggling to keep up with this fascinating thread which is growing at the rate of knots! I have been training with ADR and Watts and the week before last tried the dynamic no warmup/no breathup for the first time. My previous PB was 107m which was set a few months ago and I haven't got near that since. The first session using the no warmup/breathup I did 75m, next week I did 83-85m and last night I hit 100m. Contractions started fairly early (bit before the 50m turn, but I am known for my early and strong contractions) but did not have their usual jackhammer feel. What really surprises me is mental clarity at the end of the dive. Also i've noticed how out of breath I am, really puffed for a minute or so after the dive, which I didn't seem to get using my old breathup pattern.

I'm very curious to see how this pans out...

Cheers,
Ben

ps to Lucia's comment on holding breath in your sleep - I got in trouble for this from the wife the night of my 100m dive

 

[jome]

On the subject of sleep.

I've had some moderate success with the no-warmup training, although my training is not quite pure: I still do statics in a series, but I've shifted focus on trying the max on the first one, instead of doing a couple of easy ones.

I've noticed on two training streaks of a week or so of almost daily statics, that I will start to wake up at night for no apparent reason, after a couple of hours of sleep. Of course this could be totally unrelated, but I can't help but think this has a connection. Maybe I go into such deep sleep apnea, that I'm forced awake or something. It's kind of a scary thought. Pretty hard to monitor though...

Has anyone else had similar experiences? I guess it's sign that I should be taking a break.

 

[BlueIcarus]

Hi jome.
This thing you talk about (sudden wakening up in the middle of a night's sleep) is a thing that
happens always to me if I'm overtrained. From cardio or for apnea.. if i go too hard I don't sleep well and have this moments you comment (all over the night maybe 4 or 5.... counting
those ones I can remember but the feeling is that It happens every 15-30 minutes). BTW tonight I had one of these... yesterday I did 1 hour swimming with around 10 minutes of hard intervals and also some hypoxic swimming... But the time i ended the training I knew this problem is going to pop at night. I can go 2-3 hourse easy steady cardio and no problem but If I do sprints or some kind of anaerobic workout it taxes my body a lot. Maybe not the same problem as you, but my experience
Also I find that overtraining from apnea is much much more easy than cardio... and hypoxic work lots harder that hypercapnic

Cheers!!

 

[kingohyes]

Are you kidding me, maybe this was the reason that I woke up about 10 times yesterday.. I had been training really hard dynamics.. Well it might as well be the food I ate right before I went to bed.. I have never eaten so much before bedtime..

 

[jome]

Ok, that would explain it, since on monday (in addition to statics) I did a pretty hard interval jogging thingy.

Well, taking a break for the rest of the week anyway...

 

[kingohyes]

Been a while since last update on this topic.. Are anyone progressing??
I have had a break due to some cold symptoms.. But on my last static I managed to withstand over 2 minutes with 180 contractions..
The last contractions were double contractions :hmm my belly almost stayed inward all the time..

 

[DeepThought]

I can't say I put much consistency in training...
I got to do 2 streaks of those no-warm up statics, once was for 3 days and the other for 5.
The third day on both those streaks had the longest static.
I think that the main problem for me is to find peace of mind and good physical relaxation when doing dry statics... I'm almost always too hot during the last phase of the static...
My PB for no warm-up now is 4:19 with about 80-100 contractions in 3 minutes which I'm very happy with because I thought it would be very hard for me to pass 4 mins this way.
It's exam period now and there's too much stress in the air + I think I'm comming up with something, so I'll come back to it sometime later...

 

[naiad]

On the subject of sleep.

I've noticed on two training streaks of a week or so of almost daily statics, that I will start to wake up at night for no apparent reason, after a couple of hours of sleep. Of course this could be totally unrelated, but I can't help but think this has a connection. Maybe I go into such deep sleep apnea, that I'm forced awake or something. It's kind of a scary thought. Pretty hard to monitor though...

Has anyone else had similar experiences? I guess it's sign that I should be taking a break.

Last night I was doing the usual thing of holding my breath in my sleep, when I decided to go for a max! I was dreaming about doing statics in the pool, and I held my breath for ages, until it was really difficult, then I stopped and noticed that I was out of breath. This was still part of the dream - I didn't wake up at all!

Does this count as training?

Lucia

 

[O'Boy]

Hey,

For those of you who are curious. I haven't been posting here for some time because of my getting a new job. That's why I had to take a break.

Don't worry. This method is working. I know it. Hope to bring some new positive results soon.

Saludos

 

[kingohyes]

So, is anyone still doing this method except for me? My biggest gainings has been in dynamics, because the contractions are wearing me out in static.. But im still doing it. Anyone else?

 

[Panos Lianos]

Yes, I'm still training with no warm-ups. I have reached 7 minutes. 6:31 in our recent competition (winter games).

 

[kingohyes]

That is amazing, how often do you train this method a week? And doesn't the contractions wear you out?

 

[Panos Lianos]

Twice a week, one max attempt.

 

[fpernett]

Wet or Dry?