Static with no warm-up

[Panos Lianos]

Wet. I hate dry statics

 

[JasonWelbourne]

Not sure if it counts, but I figured it was worth mentioning anyway. Earlier this week I started tinkering with statics again, primarily the exhale variety. So I have managed to get my passive exhale static time up to about 2:10. It occured to me last night that that was pretty good and that I should try a max full inhale static just to see what happened. I did 5:29 with little breathup compared to a former pb of 4:10 with severe hyperventilation. I intend to keep running with the exhale statics as I am pushing for exhale diving this coming season.

 

[jome]

I do it periodically as a training tool, but I still do my best times with warmup.
I can't say it's solely due to the no-warmup training, but every time after a week or so of doing it, I've increased my pb in a normal static...

 

[O'Boy]

It's still the main way of my static training.
This saturday I am about to try this method in competition for the first time. Hope that everything goes well.

 

[O'Boy]

At last...
Yesterday I was able to get to my MAX with this method. That means I had something like BO. It was strange because I was conscious, yet I lost count of contractions and couldn't remember the amount of them after the recovery (which was also very clean, no shakes, protocol done perfectly).
Some 15 seconds to the end I started to exhale. While doing static I was aware of that, but after I had analyzed the video I wasn't that sure if I did it consciously .
I gave signals every fifth contraction yet in the end I gave signal after just 2 contractions and then again after 3 of them.
Anyway, with this method I was able to better my old PB (done traditional way) by 1'09".

Here are yesterday's data:

6'53" (@1'51", 65 contractions in 5'02") :duh :duh :duh

 

[quasimoto]

geez, it seems like with this approach you spend a lot more of the static in contractions.....I wonder why this is? I usually have about the same amount of time of no contractions vs. contractions.(not using this method) Also, i wonder if with CO2 training you could increase the time until contractions much, because it seems like you would be able to add at least another minute on to your times. But im probably wrong, or else everyone would have 6 minute + times!

 

[jome]

Very cool results O'Boy. 5'02'' in contractions...That is impressive.

Would've loved to see your SaO2 in the end. My guess is that it was pretty damn low.

Do you pack? If so, how much? And still not any kind of breathup? (well, obviously not judging from the time of the 1st contraction).

 

[O'Boy]

It's simple. As Eric Fattah said: "The sooner the urge to breathe hits you, the sooner your oxygen consumption goes down."

 

[O'Boy]

I think 5 minutes with contractions is something like maximum one can achieve. I believe Tom also hits 5 minutes of contractions while doing his 9's.
I will try to push it further, though I think the goal for me is now in delaying the first contraction.
Maybe some kind of little breath-up will help (Tom also does some) in delaying contractions and won't ruin the body's fine set-up for 5 minutes spent with them. Some diet may be helpfull too.
It needs a lot of experimenting and I love the excitement it brings.

I've even droped dynamic training in favor of static.

Yes, I do pack, but only to the comfort level. I inhale to 60% and rest to the 100% (but comfort) is packed. (Interesting is that my VLC increased from
5.10 to 7.55 litres since freediving(2,5 years), I got 1.10 l increase since using this method(5 months))

There is always the same routine before the attempt.
- Pack stretching (2 x max 20 sec.)
- 5-10 minutes of relaxation (not controling the breath)
- One slow and deep inhale and full exhale through the nose
- Inhale + pack = GO!

 

[subaquaticus]

I think it increddible cool to do a max static with hardly no preperation, like Tom has shown the world!

At a very modest level I experienced something new to me....

before I began my static apnea series following : 45", 1'15", 1'45" as warm up procedure, and then 2', 2'10",...

After Nice CIPA Open, lying on my bed, I was able to do 3' with no other pretparation than breathing up... My PB up to now is 3'33"... After this 3', I other 3'15" and then 3'20"... I was not in a good shape...

It makes me hope to reach more than 4'00" in Marseille at the end of the month...

 

[Narsil]

Thought I'd bump this thread to see how the no breathe up disciples are going.

I'm having issues with hypocapnic packing blackouts again (with relatively light packing) so I might have to start giving this a go.

 

[jome]

You are drinking enough I hope?

Hydration more or less eliminates packing BOs for me. Another big factor is the rate of packing, ie fast gulping brings it on easier.

 

[laminar]

Just a reminder for those who are going on a static apnea kick...be careful with the increasing TLC. I believe Tom has had problem with depth because his residual volume has increased over time. At least two local divers have had this issue with packing. It may depend on a host of variables, but to me it is a serious enough issue to warrant some caution.

So what if you can hold your breath for 7-8 minutes if you can't dive! I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has experienced problems with squeeze or anything close to it since increasing TLC over time.

Pete

 

[Narsil]

Thanks Jome - I do try and keep hydration and salt levels high, but don't tend to drink a lot of water in the few hours prior, which could be a mistake. Not sure how early you can effectively hydrate, without filling your belly too much pre static.

Laminar, both levels: my tender loving care and total lung capacity, are staying lowish I'm afraid :t . I don't train statics often at all, despite it being my "strong suit". I train dynamics and do recreational diving 90+% of the time.

 

[jome]

There should be no need for drinking just prior if you keep your hydration levels ok during the day...

This has always worked for me, but of course, you could have something else going on...

 

[constantine]

Hi to all! i read the thread and i have some questions..:

how many times do you trained in this way ?every day...? or what do you advise??

should i do apnea walking for the co2 "tolerance" ?

i know that someone say that in a training session says 2-6 repeats were ok ....its right or wrong... (the rest is always over 7 min )

thanks to all answeres!!


Andi

 

[O'Boy]

Pete, that's very interesting point with the increased RV and packing.
There is one guy in our team who recently was told by his M.D. that he's got increased RV. He wants him to quit freediving.

constantine:
My training consists of one max static per day. I am not doing it every day because of the severe headache which comes after few days of such training.
Try to create some blocks of training days (from 2 to 5 or more) and put some rest day(s) in between.
If you are able to spend some decent time (over 2:30) in the struggle phase (contractions), that is sufficient training for your CO2 tolerance and you don't need any special CO2 tables or walking.

 

[SEDATE]

So what if you can hold your breath for 7-8 minutes if you can't dive! I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has experienced problems with squeeze or anything close to it since increasing TLC over time.

Pete

Pete
lately i find out a great problem while going to deep -34m, i do not know why but i find out some strong pressure around my rib cage below -22m till -34m and find a very diffuculty to equalize my ears because i wanted to transfer a little air to my mouth as using my diaphram . around -25m , i did or i did not , not sure maybe i did not equailize very well but equalized in a way ears does not give me any problem at surface and i feel no pain in my ears but maybe my lung TLC decreased under pressure i duno ,after diving i find out a pain a few days later on my right shoulder behind , went doctor they did not find anything , he said everything OK! the reason TLC i mean the ratio was %50 or %60 air in my lung (mistake ) and get strong squeeze at deep below -20m i want to planing to dive -50m this summer but i do not know how play a role TLC at deep dive?

 

[constantine]

Pete, that's very interesting point with the increased RV and packing.
There is one guy in our team who recently was told by his M.D. that he's got increased RV. He wants him to quit freediving.

constantine:
My training consists of one max static per day. I am not doing it every day because of the severe headache which comes after few days of such training.
Try to create some blocks of training days (from 2 to 5 or more) and put some rest day(s) in between.
If you are able to spend some decent time (over 2:30) in the struggle phase (contractions), that is sufficient training for your CO2 tolerance and you don't need any special CO2 tables or walking.[/quote
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thanks for the answer! ehm.. but one thing i don´t understand
why exactly over 2.30 min of contractions ?
i do now with this method a good 4,40 min static relative near my pb ...,perhaps i do in one week more.......
is it possible to train dynamics and the statics at the same time(not at the same day )example:monday static,tuesday dynamic... and so on...)??
or it is too much for the body???

andi

 

[O'Boy]

It was mentioned in some earlier post in this thread, that you have to reach at least 2:30 in contractions phase to create some chemical reactions strong enough to initiate improvement in static time.

For a begginer this time may be something like a goal to reach.
Later, when you become familiar with this approach to static, you will find that this time (2:30) is way too short to create the needed effect.

You will have to get as close to your MAX time as it gets almost in every attempt. And don't forget that your real MAX time is surely much better then your current PB.
The MAX time for me is when I have BO knowing that I've made no mistake in preparation (hyperventilation).

My personal opinion is that if you want to set a new PB in static you have to concentrate on it and forget about hard dynamic training (also cardio).
The body will make it (if you have enough sleep and energy) but such training
enhances your metabolic rate and that does'n help your static time.