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2015 LUNOCET PRO

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And it's my experience that customers that are more understanding are easier to take advantage of, even if it's unintentional. Patient customers are a blessing, but that doesn't mean we always deserve them. The situation is unacceptable, for certain. I have actually considered the possibility that the 2015 Pro is a scheme to fund continued development of a project. You could ask, "why else would an e-mail go out stating that the 2015 Pro has begun production, and offering free shipping for immediate orders, when we know there is a waiting list going back to Feb at least." The best answer that I can come up with, in all honesty, is that it was a stupid move, plain and simple. Not a bad idea to start the ball rolling on sales, but as it is I think it's just going to lead to more people waiting, and you'd think Ted should have known that. He would have done better to offer a discounted early buy on the product "1-2 months out". A lot of people would have undoubtedly been happy to wait a few months for 5-10% off, and then you end up with a totally different situation. Honestly I think some people are just optimistic to a fault, and he does have a product that he needs to sell--I can appreciate that. Doesn't mean he didn't screw the pooch doing it. If it weren't for the fact that there are 2014 Classic models out there, I would say it might really be in doubt, but I don't think there's justification in view of all known facts to accuse Ted Ciamillo of not intending to get his product out.

I know some people say that they'd rather wait and get a better product, and use this to sort of justify in their minds the continued silent delay after we were promised a relatively brief ship time. It's hard to disagree, since we all want a good fin, but in a nutshell here's the problem with that sentiment: product testing, improvement, and finishing is supposed to be part of the production process, not part of the shipping process.

Myself, I feel I've had a fairly clear picture of the situation, so I haven't bothered to e-mail/phone, not that people shouldn't do that--they should. He just needs to get things going, and it's only going to piss me off to be given more overly-optimistic estimates--I got that at the get-go, and one's enough for me.

On that note, and to address Ted directly: I know you will be further along than you were a few weeks ago, and then a few weeks before that, but I would say it's never too close to release in this kind of situation to sit down, carefully assess the situation--determine yourself how far you have to go, and what needs to be done--and set things right with your customers. It's going to take some time away from your production which is so far behind, but it could easily be the best way to spend that time, if you get it right.
 
Frankly, Ted should have used something like Kickstarter to fund product development rather than trying to get sales orders.

Would have made it a lot clearer what the expectations are.
 
I've been wondering how the 'Ol Pro formerly Noa's I'm swimming now compares in 25yd sprint times compared to the 2014 Classic I timed before.

My son came to the pool and timed me today as he did before in the 2014 thread.

In a nutshell this fin is one second faster in 25 yards with me as the swimmer in both cases.

The sensation is a bit like taller tires
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on a car.... A bit faster for the same rpms.... Less likely to spin the tires.

The best time with the old one was just over 13 seconds..... In the Twelves an unattained goal. The best time with this one 12.28 seconds with elevens as a goal.

Here's the exact collection of times:
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13.51
12.99
13.46
13.25
12.28
12.88
13.45
12.75
13.10
13.41

Each swim was wide open throttle the best I could do at that moment.
I plan to do the same with the 2015 when it comes.

Just for reference if I could hold the best pace returning for 50 yds I would match the all time pool record for female freestylers... I am 64 years old and 250 pounds.

My son put it on and did one pass for time: 14.03 seconds in board shorts and a tee shirt. As you can see in the photo we are big boys. He is right at 300 pounds and powerfully built. (14 plates on the leg press!)
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Ok...now I will have to have someone time me! I'm assuming that you're doing this from either a standing start or a pushoff from in the water? I can tell you a "conventional swimmer" gets around 15 yards of head start almost before they start swimming by jumping off the starting blocks (competitive finswimmers too). This makes your times that much more significant!
 
I duck under then push off. I ask Taylor to start the clock when I push off. He walks beside me to get closer to the other end . I surface my hands just as they reach the wall to make that part easier to judge.

As usual the swim gave me a couple of thoughts about getting more from the current set up so I've tinkered with the set up today for morning. It felt good today but not the sweetest I've had this one. Optimistic for a bit better tomorrow. Seldom I get the opportunity for him to time me though.

This isn't an earthshaking test but I think it's something anyone and everyone can do if they wish.

I go much faster in my dreams...
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Have not attempted a standing start!
 
II Review 2015 Lunocet Pro

To every owner of the Lunocet Pro 2015, don´t be wondering about how stiff the new spring is. I could not imagine that this will work. But what happen with this great Sports gear when you get into water is like giving back a fish his natural environment. On Land not able to breathe. The hole system need the fluid and drag of water to get in function.

I am 6,32ft tall and have 177.4pound. (2 weeks ago I had 186,8 pound before it arrived) I used it at first with all three setting bolts and had to admit that I´m not yet ready for this power. The sinews on my left subtalar joint are a bit stressed. A good advice for all who get started and didn`t have the right form, put two bolt´s out till you get used to it. The joint is making movements over both axle´s and further you`re right motion. Slow body motion embrace the Lunocet perfect as also quick and large movements. Even just small animations with your calf will modify to motion and let you slide through the water. I do get faster day by day, started with 1,3m/s now to 1.7m/s just a question of technique and form, I´m sure being able to crack the 2.5m/s and more. Ted is not the one who bleeds others, I spoke with him often about how the Lunocet work and of course what might be revised. We match little small things which have to be topped. -- No leading parts--- The Feedback what I was giving prove true his development. He also confirmed that he´s shipping 30 units of Lunocet`s out on Monday!!

On the video`s is hopefully something to see what you all are waiting for. I have to concede that my arms definitely not there where they should be while diving…any advice?

By the way, searching for nice way to carry???
 

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Thanks for the video. Looks like fun. Nice to read your observations as well.

Next week sounds great for shipping!
 
Good looking fin! and, your speed isn't bad considering your arm position and choice of swimsuit. Put some jammers or a full skinsuit on, and get those arms overhead? you will be flying.... :) As far as carrying, I carry my 2014 Pro in a normal longfin bag. I unbolt the flukes, put them in the bag with the longfins and snorkel etc, and use the elastics on the outside of the bag to hold the shoes and peduncle on. It also lets the shoes air out and dry faster. Sometimes I do a warmup freestyle swim with the longfins; sometimes I only use them to sit on at the edge of the pool so that my speedsuit doesn't get abrasions from the concrete.
 
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Hello Kervyn,

Although I'm sure you're frustrated by the wait, I'm not convinced that airing your thoughts this way is all that helpful. From my own experiences, of trying to deliver unique, and may be revolutionary, solutions (in my case software) that when things don't go to plan because of unforeseen complexity/constraints that a patient customer is a blessing, it helps so much in moving things forward. From all I've read on this and the 'Lunocet 2014' thread it is my belief that we are not being 'taken for a ride' and I believe that my patients will soon be rewarded.


Regards

Philip

Hello Phillip...
Well... it's desperation... Since Mr. Ciamillo neither communicates, nor sends what he promised (for goods which he has been paid in full MONTHS ago!)
I can understand that there might be issues (production or development or whatever), but the onus is on him to communicate when something goes wrong, and not plain lie and use delaying tactics... From day 1 he's known that he's had issues with his design... yet false promises after false promises of delivery. And I'm sorry, even the most optimistic person involved in production/design, knows that when there are major design issues, they won't be able to ship...!!! So yes, I've been taken for a ride... not a nice one!!! I just hope the ride ends on a nice note and I can rave about this, so far, elusive Lunocet Pro 2015, that seems to be harder to find than a Sasquatch...!!!
 
Do anybody know how many fins are on order, and what the chances are that my order might be amongst this newly promise 30 fins to be sent next monday? I have been waiting 5 months now.
It is encouraging that production must be going well enough for Ted now to find spare time to post jokes on the Extreme Dolfinism G2 thread.
 
I doubt that there actually are 30 fins ready to ship...!!! No difference from his countless other false promises...
 
It was not from Ted but one of the chosen ones that seem to be on special phone privileges I got the notion that there is 30 units soon to be sent. I was just curious to know if 30 fins would make much of a dent in the numbers of people waiting for their paid up front fins.
I rather suspect that I am naively trying to find assurance that I have not been conned in some way. Probably not.
Further more, this thread is supposedly about the 2015 fin which at the moment seem to be in the possession of one lucky person. However I keep reeding all sorts of handy hints on how to fix knackered old fins that do not quite fit this thread, being pre 2015 fins.

I want to see more posts about the new 2015 fin on this thread and less about the historical foibles.
 
Oldfather,

I hoped and expected this thread would open exactly as you described in your last sentence.

We are truely hanging on those 30 units and a steady flow from there.

Having mistimed the opening I'm just trying to stay sunny side up.

How about a nice frog picture !?!?
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My family and my friends all know I've been waiting... I just got pranked at work. I was called out of my office to pickup a "delivery" on the receiving dock, which isn't unusual. Now I didn't give my work address for shipping, but in the relatively low light the shape still threw me for half a second. I'm afraid I'm going to have to kill someone... :p

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This was a collaboration between my boss (3rd picture) and my brother. The "2014" was a mistake, I guess. Ted's signature was apparently entirely a fabrication.

... I will be posting lap times for anyone who's interested...
 
My family and my friends all know I've been waiting... I just got pranked at work. I was called out of my office to pickup a "delivery" on the receiving dock, which isn't unusual. Now I didn't give my work address for shipping, but in the relatively low light the shape still threw me for half a second. I'm afraid I'm going to have to kill someone... :p

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This was a collaboration between my boss (3rd picture) and my brother. The "2014" was a mistake, I guess. Ted's signature was apparently entirely a fabrication.

... I will be posting lap times for anyone who's interested...
Man that was funny!!
It's official: when enough time has gone by that friends and family research (I'm assuming they aren't knowledgeable about it) to make a prank.... It's too much :D
 
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II Review 2015 Lunocet Pro

On the video`s is hopefully something to see what you all are waiting for. I have to concede that my arms definitely not there where they should be while diving…any advice?


Hello Marco_W

I've just watched the video, awesome!

What caught my attention was the way the fin bends across its width - mimicking a real fin - hence describing it as bio-mimetic. I can see how much research and thought has gone into this. I can also see myself, when I've got one of these on, looking backwards to watch the fin do its stuff and smacking into something hard!

I'm so looking forward to this.


Philip
 
You're looking forward to looking backward?? :D

Probably the aquatic equivalent of admiring your new shoes whilst walking down the street and smacking into a lamp-post. :)

Yeah, I'm going to have to concentrate when I put one of these on for sure!!!
 
In favorable light You can see your reflection and your fin working pretty clearly if you swim face up under a smooth surface.

It is interesting to watch the fin movements in Marco's video. He is moving around quite naturally for someone just recently attached to a monofin. It is encouraging that he had enough range of adjustment that he did not prefer the stiffest adjustment available.

No matter which setting is chosen the new hinge has an absolute deflection limit built into it. That assures some propulsion regardless of the spring setting or condition.
 
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